Guest Jlall Posted June 30, 2007 Report Share Posted June 30, 2007 Txxxxx --- QJxxx Kx. 3C on right, 3D on left, 3S on right, 4N on left, 5C on right, 6C on left. 3S=stopper not necessarily length4N=keycard for clubs5C=1 Anyways it gets interesting when partner cracks this and LHO sends it back. LHO is a random person who is down a lot of imps so don't take too much inference from the XX. Where are the hearts? What do you lead? Why? Oh and btw before anyone says "double asks for the lead of dummies first bid suit" as their logic, your partnership agreement is "i have a surprise, find it" for this X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 ♠10. Most likely to be partner's void, high just in case he can take more than one ruff. I think responder expects spades to be a source of tricks, thus he has some length there. If responder did not need to know about the spade stopper from partner, he could have bid 4N over 3♣. Maybe responder has something like ♠AQJx, red aces and xxx in clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 I'm simple. I'll ask about the 3♦ call, just to be safe, and then lead a diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 I'd also lead a diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Agree with Tim that it looks like LHO liked the 3♠ response from RHO, and has a source of tricks there. The 3♦ bid doesn't have to be a 5-bagger either. So I'll go for the ♠ ruff(s) and lead the ♠T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 If pard has a ruff coming, it's not certain it's in spades. I'm gonna lead ♦Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 small ♦.Partner ruffs and sees my small ♦ as asking ♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 I don't quite understand why responder has to have spade tricks for his 3D response... if we listen to the auction without looking at our hand, responder has a diamond suit, club support and no spade control; he could hoping that the 3S "stop" is a control for slam purposes (rather than a QJx stop). Maybe responder has xx Ax AK109xx KQx and is hoping for something like Kx xx xx AJ10xxxx opposite. After thinking that through we look at our hand we notice that we have no hearts and we have a club keycard, so that construction doesn't quite add up. Partner must have some heart length, and couldn't bid over 3D. So declarer must have heart length, and dummy must have some heart length. Having been through all of this, I still don't think partner has a spade void. I just can't see why responder would conceal a 5-card spade suit and bid 3D instead. The time a spade lead is right is when partner has the Ace of spades. The thing is, I don't think he would double with the ace and not the king; and their bidding is very odd indeed if they are off the AK of spades AS WELL AS the king of clubs. If I didn't have the CK, a spade lead would be more tempting. So I lead a diamond hoping for partner to ruff it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 1, 2007 Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Txxxxx --- QJxxx Kx. 3C on right, 3D on left, 3S on right, 4N on left, 5C on right, 6C on left. 3S=stopper not necessarily length4N=keycard for clubs5C=1 Anyways it gets interesting when partner cracks this and LHO sends it back. LHO is a random person who is down a lot of imps so don't take too much inference from the XX. Where are the hearts? What do you lead? Why? Oh and btw before anyone says "double asks for the lead of dummies first bid suit" as their logic, your partnership agreement is "i have a surprise, find it" for this X. I don't quite understand why responder has to have spade tricks for his 3D response... if we listen to the auction without looking at our hand, responder has a diamond suit, club support and no spade control; he could hoping that the 3S "stop" is a control for slam purposes (rather than a QJx stop). Maybe responder has xx Ax AK109xx KQx and is hoping for something like Kx xx xx AJ10xxxx opposite. After thinking that through we look at our hand we notice that we have no hearts and we have a club keycard, so that construction doesn't quite add up. Partner must have some heart length, and couldn't bid over 3D. So declarer must have heart length, and dummy must have some heart length. Having been through all of this, I still don't think partner has a spade void. I just can't see why responder would conceal a 5-card spade suit and bid 3D instead. The time a spade lead is right is when partner has the Ace of spades. The thing is, I don't think he would double with the ace and not the king; and their bidding is very odd indeed if they are off the AK of spades AS WELL AS the king of clubs. If I didn't have the CK, a spade lead would be more tempting. So I lead a diamond hoping for partner to ruff it.IMO ♥ = 11 :), ♦ x = 10, ♦ Q = 8, ♠ T =6, ♠ x = 5, ♣ x = 1 I like Frances' logic :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'm glad Frances offered some hand constructions at least...why does no one else? It seems to me that one way to look at it is dummy has diamond length, some clubs, and we have no hearts so some hearts must be in dummy, and that doesn't leave too many spades so partner probably isn't void there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'm glad Frances offered some hand constructions at least...why does no one else? It seems to me that one way to look at it is dummy has diamond length, some clubs, and we have no hearts so some hearts must be in dummy, and that doesn't leave too many spades so partner probably isn't void there. I was in France with no connection except for several minutes :o Your logic looks good, Dummy did need partner to have something in spades to play slam, so xx in spades or xxx can be. Also it can be that declarer has ♠QJx so spade is still best lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'm glad Frances offered some hand constructions at least...why does no one else? It seems to me that one way to look at it is dummy has diamond length, some clubs, and we have no hearts so some hearts must be in dummy, and that doesn't leave too many spades so partner probably isn't void there. Because if 3♦ was not some sexy artificial bid, which you would have mentioned, then the hand construction is rather obvious. One could always construct 5♦/4♠ for Responder and 1♦/3♠ for Opener, which is as consistent with the auction as much as 5♦/3♠ and 3♦/3♠ would be. However, with hearts a lurking issue, dummy is not expected to have enough spades to give the opponents seven of them. Dummy probably has a small doubleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 2, 2007 Report Share Posted July 2, 2007 OK, now I've constructed a hand where partner thinks a spade is the winning lead which is vaguely consistent with the auction (I was struggling a bit before) xAKQxAK109x.Qxx QJxJxxAJ10xxxx ...although I don't know why responder bothered with bidding 3D on this layout.(As I mentioned before, I don't think partner would double with only the SA, and I don't think they can have two cashing spades and the CK missing) The thing is, on this layout, a diamond lead is fine because he can't get all his spades away in time. So maybe it has to be xAKQAK109xx.Qxx QxJxxx-AJ10xxxx Now a diamond lead is fatal. OK, I've constructed a hand where a spade lead is right.But I still think there are a lot more hands where partner is ruffing the opening diamond lead.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 ...although I don't know why responder bothered with bidding 3D on this layout. That seems to be a problem with many of the diamond length, club support, and some hearts constructions. If responder is something like 1453, it's hard to understand the 3♦ call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Frances, in your construction they asked for keycards then bid it missing 2. Anyways, partners hand was.. ---KQJT9xxxx xxxx Down 3 on a spade lead, making on a diamond lead B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Anyways, partners hand was.. ---KQJT9xxxx xxxx Down 3 on a spade lead, making on a diamond lead B) Yeah, I usually need a slightly better heart suit to step into that auction. Seriously, though, that's quite a position to take. Down four vulnerable, for -1100, still is not all that bad even against a non-vulnerable 6♣. I'd have a difficult time passing throughout and then doubling for a spade lead. It wouldn't be so difficult making the passes and the double. The problem would be escaping the room when partner saw my actual hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Partners hand was.. - KQJT9xxxx xx xx -3 on a ♠ lead, making on a ♦ lead B) Yee gods man! Where did your pd's testicles get taken to that they could not find a bid with that?! (3C)-pa-(3D)-5H ...and let Them take The Last Guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 justin, who the hell have you been playing with? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Anyways, partners hand was.. ---KQJT9xxxx xxxx What was responder's hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Frances, in your construction they asked for keycards then bid it missing 2. I know. You said they were a lot down and fairly random... Anyway, i) all of my constructions didn't include partner passing throughout on a 9-card suit....ii) on the actual hand, I bet us + dummy have more diamonds between us than we have spades (i.e. had we been able to see dummy before leading we'd still lead a diamond)andiii) if a diamond had beaten it you wouldn't have posted it as a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 I voted for a diamond; but an argument for leading a spade rather than a diamond is that if partner is ruffing diamonds and you lead a spade, then your diamond holding may still make life hard for declarer. A hand with such a theme appeared in a Mixed Teams match between Britain and Italy in an EEC championship, a millennium or two ago. It was something like...[hv=d=s&v=n&n=sxxxxhak8xdxxxcaj&w=sqhqt9xxdtxcqtxxx&e=sjtxhdkxxxxckxxxx&s=sakxxxhjxxxdaqjcx]399|300|Scoring: IMP-- ----- -- (1♠)_P (3♥) _P (4N)_P (5♥) _P (6♠)_P (_P) _X (XX)AP3 ♥ = fit jump[/hv]Against 6 ♠ XX by South, West chose the unfortunate lead of ♥ T :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted July 3, 2007 Report Share Posted July 3, 2007 Against 6 ♠ XX by South, West chose the unfortunate lead of ♥ T :( The lead of a heart would have been a rather unfortunate lead if partner held J10x of spades and declarer Jxx of hearts. The lead of the 10 of hearts was rather bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 iii) if a diamond had beaten it you wouldn't have posted it as a problem Why do people always say things like this? I guess my posts suck and my hands are automatic but so far the people I've asked in real life have been split on what they lead. Everyone was understandably confused about constructing a hand. BTW partner in this hand was me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 I knew partner was insane :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 4, 2007 Report Share Posted July 4, 2007 BTW partner in this hand was me. And why did you hide your solid 9 card suit? You surely had a reason but I miss the imagination to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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