what do you bid over 1NT SAYC

[sceptic]

Please tell me what you chose and why and what it should show Thank you

 

 

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West North East South

 

 -     -     -     1♣

 Pass  1♥    Pass  1NT

 Pass  2♦    Pass  Pass

 Pass  

[awm]

I would not have opened the south hand. There are only 11 hcp and a significant rebid problem. If the clubs were a major (say Axx KQJTx Jxxx x) then game is much more likely and the rebid is much easier.

 

Having opened the south hand, while it is my personal style to rebid 1NT on such patterns, I would tend not to do this without agreements about checkback methods. Partner needs to realize that a small singleton heart is a possibility, and we need methods to uncover it. Had someone forced me to open the south cards playing SAYC with no further agreements, I would rebid 2♣.

 

On the given auction, 1♣-1♥-1NT, north has several reasonable options. These are:

 

(1) 4♥. With twelve points, 6-4 shape, and six losers it is reasonable to force game at IMP scoring opposite an opening bid. Since south should have two-card support for hearts, or at minimum a singleton king, there is little reason to mess around and it makes sense to bid the obvious game. This would be my normal bid opposite a pickup playing SAYC.

 

(2) 3♥. Conservative to invite only, but there are a few danger signs (KQ tight is not worth five points, singleton in partner's original suit is not ideal, the heart spots are not great). I would try this call at MP, or opposite a partner whom I know likes to open random balanced 11-counts.

 

(3) 3♦. This is game forcing and shows hearts and diamonds. It allows partner a way out in case this hand will play better in notrump than in hearts. However, it is far from clear that after an auction like 1♣-1♥-1nt-3♦-3nt we should not be in hearts anyway. I would only really consider 3♦ if partner is known to raise frequently on three hearts and balanced patterns (and to rebid 1NT with singleton hearts) since in this case a 3♥ correction is probably Hx and a 3NT rebid probably means we belong in notrump.

[pbleighton]

I would have opened. This is, of course, about style. I virtually never rebid 1NT with stiff, which means that I have rebid FAR worse 5 card suits than KQJ106. The hand also looks like a decent 11 to me. So in my partnerships, the bidding goes 1C-1H-2C-3H.

 

In the given auction, I rebid 3H as responder. No other call occurs to me. You have an invitational hand with a 6 card major with a couple of honors and likely 2+ hearts from partner. Yeah, you'd like a better suit, but...

 

Peter

[Robert]

Hi eveyone

 

Playing standard methods I would not have opened this hand. Playing my Big Club methods, it is just barely an opening bid. If partner passed this hand in a Big Club method I would not have any comment. A very close decision.

 

The auction 'if' I was forced at gunpoint to open in standard methods

 

If I was playing MPs 1C-1H-2C-3H-all pass.

 

In my Big Club methods

1D*(2+ Ds)-1H-2C(5+-4+ either way in the minors)-2H*=invitational (9+-12)

 

I play weak jump shifts showing 0-9HCP over my 'limited opening' bids, so a direct rebid 'invites' while staying at the two level.

 

Playing IMPs 1C-1H-2C-2D*(new suit forcing)-2NT-3H-3NT

Opening the club hand at IMPs creates a very ugly auction.

 

If playing standard methods and I opened(at gunpoint) the club hand and somehow rebid 1NT(not a good bid IMHO and not my style)

 

1C-1H-1NT-2D*-2NT-3H-3NT

 

I play the XYZ convention(after 1 suit-1suit-any rebid including 1NT-2C*=forces partner to bid 2D(to sign off in diamonds) or I will rebid to show an invitatation type hand.

 

A direct 1NT-2D* bid is forcing to game-2NT(waiting bid=I do not want to rebid my 6{7?} card club suit and I cannot support hearts)-3H=game forcing with 6(+) cards and 3NT=still cannot raise hearts, however, 3Hs was forcing.

 

awm hit the nail on the head with the comment about KQ tight not being worth five points and the singleton club in the rebid club suit is also a negative feature.

 

Some(many?) players open this kind of hand and that is their style. Their partner should be aware that this type of hand will be opened. I used to play a system where we opened all 9HCP hands. Partner was aware of the junk that we opened the bidding with and both partners needed considerable 'added' values to either invite or force to game.

 

Regards,

Robert

[skjaeran]

I would have opened. This is, of course, about style. I virtually never rebid 1NT with stiff, which means that I have rebid FAR worse 5 card suits than KQJ106. The hand also looks like a decent 11 to me. So in my partnerships, the bidding goes 1C-1H-2C-3H.

 

In the given auction, I rebid 3H as responder. No other call occurs to me. You have an invitational hand with a 6 card major with a couple of honors and likely 2+ hearts from partner. Yeah, you'd like a better suit, but...

 

Peter

100% agree.

[foo]

I hope you are not worried about the missed game.

 

It's a 23 HCP, 6 control, 13 loser game.

The only part of the above sentence that suggests you should be in game is the loser count. Both the HCP and the controls are a bit light.

 

On this board, game makes because of favorable placement of the cards (swap the ♦ holdings and let ♥'s break 42 and see how much you like being in game); including that you have nice ♦ intermediates.

 

Red @ IMPs such games are logical. White at IMPs, they tend to be losing bridge.

 

As for the bidding,

I have no problems with the opening if you and your pd are on the same wavelength. You have 7- losers, 2 defensive tricks, and an easy rebid plan.

 

N made an interesting choice when they decided to show 54 in the Red's rather than rebidding 3♥ to show 6+H. Perhaps they knew how light you sometimes open?

 

Regardless, S should definitely decline to take another bid opposite any non-forcing rebid by Responder.

 

If a game is going to be bid on this board, the auction has to be driven by N.

[gwnn]

3♥ sounds quite OK and yes the opener was quite crap.

[Codo]

South:

 

I had opened

I had never bid 1 NT, pd will expect 2-3 Hearts. Which is at least 100 % more then I have.

I had never passed 2 Diamond but bid 3 Diamond

 

North:

I had bid 1 Heart

I had bid 2 Diamond Just loosers plays this as non forcing :)

 

3 Heart is not enough in my eyes, I had forced to game.

[sceptic]

hope you are not worried about the missed game

 

nope, really just interested in what should be bid over 1NT (even if you think 1NT is not right nor opening is right)

[blackshoe]

IMO south's hand isn't worth opening. If I did chose to open it, I would be planning to rebid 2 :c:, not 1NT. An alternative, if I've discussed it with partner, is to open 1 :D: and rebid 2 :c: - but that's not really a good idea with that diamond suit.

 

If I'm opening, the auction should probably go 1 :c:-1 :h:-2 :c:-3 :h:. I'd be inclined to try 3NT now, but it might well not make. the alternative is pass.

 

If I'm not opening, the auction goes, starting from partner's 3rd seat opening 1 :h:-2 :c:-2 :h:-P.

 

I like that last auction best. :)

[blackshoe]

Okay, if I really have to decide what to bid after 1NT...<shifts seats.... In SAYC, if I'm not mistaken, a new suit by an unpassed responder is forcing - but not if opener rebid 1NT. So 2 :): is not foricing in SAYC. Jumps rebids are invitational. North's hand isn't strong enough for 3 :D:.

 

I bid 3 :h:, invitational. Partner has shown a weak NT opener, so I expect him to have 2 hearts. I have opening values and six hearts. Hell, I might bid 4 :h:, except that I have a singleton in partner's club suit.

[Fluffy]

I had bid 2 Diamond Just loosers plays this as non forcing B)

I used to play this as forced to pass, does it mean non forcing? :)

[Free]

Opener is light but ok, 1NT rebid is awful imo, 1♠ would even be better. As for the bidding after 1NT: I don't know SAYC enough, but it seems like there's no NMF in play there. So 2♦ is out of the question, as is 2♥. Maybe 3♦ or 3♥, or 4 perhaps, no idea...

[Finch]

If I opened the South hand, which I don't mind - it has 100 honours in clubs - I wouldn't dream of rebidding anything other than 2C over a 1H response.

 

Having heard a 1NT rebid as North, I would bid 4H. I expect a 1NT rebid to be 12-14 HCP with at least a doubleton in every suit, and opposite that I want to be in 4H.