Guest Jlall Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 JxxxxxxAxAKQx You open 1S and partner bids 3C natural invite lol. What now? (4C is forcing, 3red can just be a stopper). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3♣ shows a good suit, right?Anyway, I bid 3♦ and pray partner bids 3N. Really tough, partner will be reluctant to do so, but I think I have to try. Over 3♥ I will just bid 3N myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Agree with 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3N. Pard rates to have very good red suit cards. xx, AQ, Kx, JTxxxxx 6♣ may be on. Of course, pard may have a spade honor and 3N is silly. But the hand feels like 3N to me. Can someone explain to me why 3♦ is a stop instead of a suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I must have missed something in the translation as I thought the problem suggested invitational natural ie good suit in C with 6+cards and I hold what....so I check that we are playing with same deck/board first. The 3m natural I response was designed a) to make it easier to reach 3NT with running suit and :wacko: to plug the hole in the system created by either 2/1 GF and/or forcing NT. Assuming that is the case and there is no room left for mistaken assumptions (gee looking at my hand it sounds more like a S raise of some description), I follow the Punish Partner Principle: so he must have at least 7C to at least JT (or any 8card C suit I guess), and about 10-11HCP (lower would be unacceptable given the quality of his suit, and with focus on controls and WITHOUT a S top Honour as doubleton S Honour would be better bid in almost any other fashion) so I am almost left with HAK DK as his Honours - now if he has a singleton S I want to be in 6C, so I bid 4C forcing!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3♦. Given your definition of 3red, I think this is by far the easiest of the five you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3♦. Given your definition of 3red, I think this is by far the easiest of the five you posted. maybe, but given that partner has 7 clubs almost for sure given our holding isn't a stiff spade pretty likely? In that case we make 6C opposite not much at all, and we will probably be safe in 5C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Pd seems to be one of those that thinks the 3♣ IJS can be made on any invitational hand w/o support for our 1st suit containing 6+♣. Since we are looking at the ♣ honors, pd must have a good 10 to a soft 12 w/ all their HCP's in their short suits- implying combination like AKx, AQx, KQx, etc in the short suits. So, =2236, =2326, =1336, Inv opposite ♠Jxxxx♥xx♦Ax♣AKQx implies something like x.KQx.KQx.Jxxxxx in pd's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I would bid 3♦ then probably 5♣, which I hope is along these lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3dpartner may have: A...Qxx....KQx....JTxxxx I have never played this so I am just guessing what 3clubs shows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3NT, I don't want my RHO to lead ♠ against 3NT from partner. Since p is invitational and doesn't hold ♠ fit, his values will probably be in ♥ and ♦. Btw, opps still have to lead the right suit in case there is one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3♦ by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3♦. 3NT might be off if partner has a stiff or void spade, if they win the first trick and switch to spades. 5♣ must surely be making, it's going to be hard to bid 6♣ if it's right but 5♣ on the next round might give partner a clue as to our hand type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3♦ for now, followed by 4♣-5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3 ♦ followed by the lowest possible Club bid: 4 Club to 3 NT or 3 Heart5 Club to 4 Cluband 6 Club to 5 Club (just to justify my first sentence) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 3♦. Given your definition of 3red, I think this is by far the easiest of the five you posted. maybe, but given that partner has 7 clubs almost for sure given our holding isn't a stiff spade pretty likely? In that case we make 6C opposite not much at all, and we will probably be safe in 5C. I suppose I should have added that I would pull 3NT to 4♣ hoping partner can bid RKC. He is in a much better position to do so than I am since all my values are keycards. If he just raises to 5♣, fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Can someone explain to me why 3♦ is a stop instead of a suit? Because it makes no sense to pattern out when partner just showed 6+ clubs? Either you have a club fit or you dont. If you dont, you can pass 3C (on a bad hand) and hope partner can make it or bid 3N yourself or rebid your original major. But if you have a real good fit (like here) and a reasonable hand, aren't you better placed by being able to start showing controls immediately? It seems to me that any new suit bid after 3C needs to be control showing and fit showing with the minor suit as probe for 3N/5m/6m. Just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I'll start by bidding 3♦. My next call will be 4♣ over 3M/NT from partner or 5♣ over 4♣. If partner has short ♠'s we might easily make 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 It appears the right game is probably 3NT so I will try 3♦ now and get partner to bid them 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I don't get all these 3D "stopper" bids either (except that Justin has said they are stopper-showing), that sounds like spades-and-diamonds to me, not Ax AKQx in the minors. I bet that if you have been dealt AKxxxxKQJxxKx you would bid 3D over 3C, then 4C next and say happily that you had bid out your hand and partner can make the final decision. (If you bid 3D and pass 3NT it's fair enough to say that 3D was just a stop, but anyone planning to bid on over 3NT doesn't seem to have described their hand) As it is, the right action on this hand seems to depend a bit on what 3C shows. I've seen suggestions such as 1336 with lots of red suit honours. I don't think A Qxx KQx J10xxx is anything like an invitational 3C bid, surely he has at least 7 clubs possibly more, and is virtually certain to be very short (possibly void) in spades as he's prepared to play in 3C on a J-high suit on a misfit. While we might be making 6C opposite the right hand, it might also depend on the lead. I am bidding 5C and let them decide what to lead. They might choose a 'passive' trump which is probably great for us. With a 5(13)4 I'd do more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I don't get all these 3D "stopper" bids either (except that Justin has said they are stopper-showing), that sounds like spades-and-diamonds to me, not Ax AKQx in the minors. I bet that if you have been dealt AKxxxxKQJxxKx you would bid 3D over 3C, then 4C next and say happily that you had bid out your hand and partner can make the final decision. (If you bid 3D and pass 3NT it's fair enough to say that 3D was just a stop, but anyone planning to bid on over 3NT doesn't seem to have described their hand) As it is, the right action on this hand seems to depend a bit on what 3C shows. I've seen suggestions such as 1336 with lots of red suit honours. I don't think A Qxx KQx J10xxx is anything like an invitational 3C bid, surely he has at least 7 clubs possibly more, and is virtually certain to be very short (possibly void) in spades as he's prepared to play in 3C on a J-high suit on a misfit. While we might be making 6C opposite the right hand, it might also depend on the lead. I am bidding 5C and let them decide what to lead. They might choose a 'passive' trump which is probably great for us. With a 5(13)4 I'd do more. With: AKxxx..x...KQJxx...Kx I would rkc(kickback) over 3c invite. As I said I am unsure what 3clubs invite shows as I have never played it but why is:A...Qxx...KQx...JTxxxx not possible?I grant assuming responder having 7 clubs is reasonable In my style I am stuck bidding 1nt semiforce with this hand but in Justin's style what would the correct bid be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I don't think 3D then 4C is an advanced cue either. 3red can indeed just be showing a stopper but I don't think that is the message you are giving when you pull 3N (unless you jump like josh I guess). Presumably the only reason you are probing with a stopper showing bid is so that partner can bid 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I like France's post: 5♣ should certainly tell partner not to worry about the trump suit. I can see missing slam here after this bid, but my red suits are the wrong way around to bid 4♣. In a perfect world, I'd bid 4♣, forcing, then over 4♥, bid 4N.. showing no ♠ control and too good a hand to sign off in 5♣... by inference probably good trump and the ♦A... but unless we have an agreement as to this useage of 4N (As I have posted previously, this is my agreement in forcing minor auctions), I can't inflict it on partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Partner's hand was Qx Ax Kx JT9xxxx so anyone with the plan of bidding 3D and passing 3N wins, though as partner pointed out over 3D is he necessarily supposed to just bid 3N with Qx and Ax in the majors or might he bid 3S (as 3D could be natural too). Not sure. His 3C bid was also questionable obviously. I bid 4C then 5C over 4D to hopefully convey slam interest (since I didn't bid 5C over 3C) and no major suit control (which would imply good clubs+diamonds, right ken? :P) The defense led ace of spades ten of spades, ruffed, so the contract had no play after that start. It was suggested that my sequence wouldn't get us to slam when it's right anyways, so I should angle for getting to 3N which is probably a lock. Not sure if that's right or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I can't say I'm crazy about 3C on a J high suit, and a semi-balanced hand with a high honor in every other suit. 1NT looks a much more promising start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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