Guest Jlall Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 ---QJT9xxxQxAKxx You open 1H 2nd seat red/red, partner bids 1S. Q1: Do you agree with 1H?Q2: What do you do now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 2♣. 7th heart makes this worth an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 2♥. The 1♠ bid did nothing for me, so I'm not going to make 3 bids without further encouragement from partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Inclined to bid 2H because although 2C helps partner to evaluate with CQ, his most likely rebid would be 2S, after which my 3H sounds like a 17 count 64; as he bids 3NT on his 7/8 count and I convert to 4H losing the 4 tricks (or so for which I was booked)... Nothing about the 1S reply thrills me, and the feature of my hand is the routine in H & 7th. Note if you retain the distribution but make it void QJT9xxx xx AKQx so that I hold an 8 tricker in H it is a whole different ballgame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I've been playing strong club for years in my reg partnership so in that I would open 1 and rebid 3. I really do not know what to do with this in std....1-2 seems like not enough, 1-3 seems like a misdescription. I guess I'd open 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I've been playing strong club for years in my reg partnership so in that I would open 1 and rebid 3. I really do not know what to do with this in std....1-2 seems like not enough, 1-3 seems like a misdescription. I guess I'd open 4. heh, interestingly my LHO (mike passell) who I play strong club with commented afterwards that it was a good hand for strong club. I agree that 3H is very attractive (auto) in a strong club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 2H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 btw prefer to open this hand 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I'd rebid 2♣ as I'm happy to bid 3♥ over 2♠. Playing Gazilli also makes a 3♥ rebid attractive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I'd rebid 2♣ as I'm happy to bid 3♥ over 2♠. Playing Gazilli also makes a 3♥ rebid attractive. You're probably not going to be happy if you end in 2C. And you're very unlikely to convince partner to let you play in 4H when he has a stiff or void and a club fit that raises to 3C. I know every bid has its risks but I don't understand the gains of 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 2♥ now, but I would've opened 4♥... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 yeah 2♥. no need to encourage partner after his expected spade bid, and hopefully he'll evaluate his hand less favorably on presumed ♥ shortness. Limited bid systems are great for hands like this with good playing strength and fewer points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 What Free said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I Agree with 1♥, now I'd bid 2♥ but 4 is tempting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I see no problems with 2 Club. And after 2 Diamond or 2 Spade from pd I will bid 4 Heart. Does this show 6-4? 7-5? Something else? But otoh: When will 2 Club ever gain anything? So 2 Heart for now. But I hadn´t been there, I had bid 4 Heart my first turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Q1: Sure, what else? AK in a side suit does not really look like a preemptQ2: 2C With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 1. 1♥ OK, 4♥ may work too.2. 3♥. This is a ♥ hand, and i have 8 tricks in a ♥ contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 1H on the first round looks obvious. Even contemplating opening 4H on this hand - in any position or vulnerability, never mind 2nd vul - is an overbid. Personally I've never really subscribed to the whole "1H - 1S - 2C on a 6-4 shows extra values" thing - it seems to be an American idea - so I'd rebid 2C without thinking too hard about it, but I don't feel very strongly as obviously either can work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 1H on the first round looks obvious. Even contemplating opening 4H on this hand - in any position or vulnerability, never mind 2nd vul - is an overbid. Personally I've never really subscribed to the whole "1H - 1S - 2C on a 6-4 shows extra values" thing - it seems to be an American idea - so I'd rebid 2C without thinking too hard about it, but I don't feel very strongly as obviously either can work. I would agree with you with most (all) 6-4 hands, but this is 74 with a real stable major suit: There is a borderline where to hide the 4 card minor. For me this hand passed the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 ♠---♥QJT9xxx♦Qx♣AKxx You open 1H 2nd seat red/red, partner bids 1S. Q1: Do you agree with 1H?Q2: What do you do now? Perfectly reasonable 1H opening. 2H rebid. We're looking at 3 controls when we need 7 for game and pd just downgraded Our hand. In addition, our hand has no Asymmetric Guards to worry about- We don't mind putting it down as Dummy in 3N (the most likely game ATM if pd has 12+ points). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 1H on the first round looks obvious. Even contemplating opening 4H on this hand - in any position or vulnerability, never mind 2nd vul - is an overbid. Personally I've never really subscribed to the whole "1H - 1S - 2C on a 6-4 shows extra values" thing - it seems to be an American idea - so I'd rebid 2C without thinking too hard about it, but I don't feel very strongly as obviously either can work. I would agree with you with most (all) 6-4 hands, but this is 74 with a real stable major suit: There is a borderline where to hide the 4 card minor. For me this hand passed the line. I agree that you can have a hand where you choose to conceal the 4-card minor - for me, this particular hand is close and I don't feel particularly strongly (- AQJ10xxx Qx Jxxx, say, is all about hearts and just like everyone else I would not bother with the club suit). But there seems to be a particular systemic agreement that 1H - 1S - 2C - (something) - more hearts shows more values than 1H - 1S - 2H, and I was trying to say that I don't play that, and if you do play it's a completely different bidding problem. I think proponents of that style would rebid 2H on x KJ10xxx Jx AKxx which I wouldn't dream of doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 You're probably not going to be happy if you end in 2C. And you're very unlikely to convince partner to let you play in 4H when he has a stiff or void and a club fit that raises to 3C. I know every bid has its risks but I don't understand the gains of 2C. I completely agree. I see virtually no upside to 2♣. If you're just planning on bidding 3♥ next you might as well do it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 If you are choosing to rebid 2♥ or 4♥ for whatever reason, then the reasons for 2♣ are probably unconvincing. If you are a 2 or a 2.5♥ bidder, then 2♣ is sensible because: pard will discount medium pointed suit honors, but will like the ♠A /♦A's and the ♣Q. Pard shouldn't pass 2♣ except under the direst of circumstances. I agree I like 3♥ playing a strong club, since 2♥ can be a lot weaker. I also hate preempting on this hand initially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I think proponents of that style would rebid 2H on x KJ10xxx Jx AKxx which I wouldn't dream of doing. With that hand I would bid 2♥ over 1NT forcing, but 2♣ over 1♠ or 1NT non forcing. I prefer to show a 5-4 than a 6-anything. After 2♣ partner will normally pass or bid 2♥ so bidding hearts myself again is not something I worry about. I am not sure if 1♥-1NT-2♣-2NT-3♥ is forcing, I would take it as sing off (you can bid 3♦ with the strong one), but 1♥-1♠-2♣-2♠-3♥ shows extras. Anyway today's hand is 7-4, and 7-4 plays often better on 7-0 fit than 4-4 (4-5 is very different). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 (snip) Personally I've never really subscribed to the whole "1H - 1S - 2C on a 6-4 shows extra values" thing - it seems to be an American idea - so I'd rebid 2C without thinking too hard about it, but I don't feel very strongly as obviously either can work. I think you are right about this, and these 2♣ rebids might be currently taken to an unhealthy extreme. In last month's MSC you had to choose a rebid after 1♦ - 1♥ looking at: ♠AKx ♥x ♦AJ87xx ♣Axx. In spite of the crappy clubs, the majority vote was 2♣. Many of the comments were pointed toward the 'lousy' diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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