plaur Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 1♣ - 1♥3♣ - 3♥Is 3♥ forcing in SA(YC) or 2/1 ?Does playing wjs make a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 1: Yes 100%2: Not to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 1: Yes 100%2: Not to me. agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Baaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 1: Yes 100%2: Not to me. agree Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 yada yada... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 If you bid again, you are committed to at least 4♣, so yes, 3♥ is forcing. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 What would you have bid though if you held 7 hearts to the ace ten,no other honours, and a void in clubs? Would you have bid 4♥ to shut partner up? (is 3♣ forcing to game?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 3C is not forcing to game, but it doesn't make sense, after opener announces a good hand and a good suit, to try and stop on a dime in 3 of responders suit. I'm sure we could come up with hands where we'd like to, but it isn't playable to use 3 of responders suit as NF. There isn't much room left, and responder needs to use new bids to investigate strain/level ; it seems unreasonable to use one of the few bids below 3N to try to improve the partial. I'm (not really) guessing that 100% of experts would play 3 of responders suit as forcing in a SA or 2/1 context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 add me to the herd. 100% forcing, and what to WJS have to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 What would you have bid though if you held 7 hearts to the ace ten,no other honours, and a void in clubs? Would you have bid 4♥ to shut partner up? (is 3♣ forcing to game?) I'd probably make whatever weak jump shows that hand immediately. 2♥, 3♥ or 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 #1 yes#2 not with regards to the forcing nature of the bid With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 What would you have bid though if you held 7 hearts to the ace ten,no other honours, and a void in clubs? Would you have bid 4♥ to shut partner up? (is 3♣ forcing to game?) Hi, depends, but one option would be 1Hfollowed by 4H, after 3C, bid 4H. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Yeah marlowe, that's what I meant. Having 3♣ not be forcing to game would make some hands difficult wouldn't it? What if your club suit is crappy but you don't have another way to express your hand? If 3♥ if forcing, he has to pass and you play a 6-0 fit with the suit being say KT9, with 20 pts between you, at the three level, when you have a pretty 9 card heart fit available! If 3♥ is forcing, what does 4♥ mean? And what would 3♦ mean by the person who said 1♥? Can it be weak with 5-5, choose a partscore please, or is it forcing (I guess it has to be forcing, being a new suit). Are there any conventions/treatments that mean you don't have to rebid 3♣? It seems to make life difficult for a very weak responder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Are there any conventions/treatments that mean you don't have to rebid 3♣? It seems to make life difficult for a very weak responder! Life is not difficult for a very weak responder. Since 3♣ is non-forcing, he just displays one of his several pass cards. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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