goobers Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Hi everyone, I was fiddling around with precision, and some questions came up... 1C - 1D1S - 2H3S What is that jump? Also, 1C - 2D2S - 2N Does 2N limit? What does it show in terms of shape/values? Thanks, I know these are not the most thought provoking of problems ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Hi everyone, I was fiddling around with precision, and some questions came up... 1C - 1D1S - 2H3S I know my Precision isn't quite like everybody else's, but.... 1S showed 16-22 or so: not enough to force game across a 0 count.2H showed a 3-7 count with at least 5 hearts. 2S would now show a 16-18, little game interest 6+ spades.3S would now show a 19-22, strong game interest, 6+ spades. 'hcp' is very, very flexible here. Another way to think of it is 2S is 5 (or more) losers, 3S is 4 losers. If I had 'game in hand' I'd have called 2S instead of 1S. I would need a very good reason to pass 3S. I'd pass 2S unless I had a max. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Also, 1C - 2D2S - 2N Does 2N limit? What does it show in terms of shape/values? You're in a GF auction. 2NT to me implies a dislike of spades, and unlimited count. It could be very, very strong- a hand that plans to start a cue bid sequence next or just wants to hear what opener has to say. I play this auction denies 3 spades. It does not, however, promise a balanced or semibalanced hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tola18 Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Also, 1C - 2D2S - 2N Does 2N limit? What does it show in terms of shape/values? You're in a GF auction. 2NT to me implies a dislike of spades, and unlimited count. It could be very, very strong- a hand that plans to start a cue bid sequence next or just wants to hear what opener has to say. I play this auction denies 3 spades. It does not, however, promise a balanced or semibalanced hand. Yes. I agree. The key here it is a GF-situation, and the principle of slow-approach is on.Thus 2NT may be stronger than 3NT - probably is stronger. North wants to hear more details from opener. End contract may be NT, but may be something else... Thus, if opener want to throw in a slam, he must begin from the lowest possible slam, here 6Diamonds = pass or correct.That principle always when you understand the sequence is strong, but you are not sure which suit to play it: ALWAYS bid out the lowest possible suit - pass or correct.It is so unnecessary to play 7 minus one, with the 6 cold. ................... I do also agree with JTfanclub on example nr 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Hi everyone, I was fiddling around with precision, and some questions came up... 1C - 1D1S - 2H3S What is that jump? Also, 1C - 2D2S - 2N Does 2N limit? What does it show in terms of shape/values? Thanks, I know these are not the most thought provoking of problems :) Assuming "standard" Precision where the 1♠ rebid is limited and the 2♥ response shows some values (semi-positive), 3♠ now shows a maximum (hence GF opposite a semi-positive) and a good 6crd suit (denying a ♥-fit). With a misfit 3♠ can be passed though (since you are both limited). This is a matter of judgement. No, but 3NT would have shown a specific hand: 11-13 2353. Usually 2NT shows that same distribution but 8-10 or 14+. Some other distributions might be possible, but you are definitely denying a ♠-fit and have not limited yourself. Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Not every bid has to be used. Some are simply ilogical. For instance, play precision, the following auction should not exist: 1♠ 1NT7NT I can in fact exist if opener overlooked his 4 aces and thought they were a "1" (worth less than a "2" deuce) until a kibby told him aces were the top card ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Not every bid has to be used. Some are simply ilogical. For instance, play precision, the following auction should not exist: 1♠ 1NT7NT I can in fact exist if opener overlooked his 4 aces and thought they were a "1" (worth less than a "2" deuce) until a kibby told him aces were the top card ^^ I did have this one once though: 1♣-1♠7NT I had 31 HCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Hi everyone IC-1D-1S-2H-3S should be forcing and showing a six(+) card suit. 1C-2D-2S-2NT tends to show 2353 shape. I normally show a balanced hand with a 2353 minor hand instead of bidding the minor. Only a very good 5 card suit would suggest bidding the suit(AKQxx or AKJxx type hands) The values held range from a 8+ unlimited, since 2NT is still game forcing. Responder may sometimes bid 1C-2D-2S-2NT-3NT-4NT to invite slam. I play a Big Club and 1C-1H* shows spades or a 11-13HCP(or a 17-19) balanced hand. 1C-2D*=8-10 balanced(or 14-16) You might want to try 1C-1D-1M* forcing-responder bids 1NT with 0-5HCP, 2C* with 6-7HCP and 2D* with three card support and 5-7HCP and a direct raise is four(+) trumps and 5-7 dummy points. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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