Free Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 Me and my partner have played Puppet Stayman after 2NT openings for a while. We now came up with a new idea, to put Smolen inside the structure, so we get more bidding options. This is the structure: 3C = relay 3D = no 4 card M or both 4-4 M 3H = 4/5 card H, no 4 card S 3S = 4 card S 3NT = 5 card S After 2NT-3C-3D: 3H = Smolen (4H & 5+S) OR no 4 card M OR slam invitation in m 3S = relay 3NT = no 4 card M 4m = slam invitation m 4H = 5S-4H, slam invitation 4S = RKC H 4NT = RKC S 4S = 5S-4H, no slam invitation 3NT = to play 3S = Smolen (4S & 5+H) 3NT = to play opposite 5-4 4D = transfer H 3NT = 4 card M 4C = relay 4D/H = transfer After 2NT-3C-3H 3S = relay, asks for 5 card H 3NT = only 4 hearts 4C/D/H = shows shortage (from low to high) 3NT = to play I'd like to know what you think about it, and if we would be able to improve it. Please don't start saying it's complicated, me and my partner don't mind that :lol: Note that the 3S and 3NT answers on 2NT-opening become free, for whatever you would like to play (minor suit stayman, or something else). We're still working on that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 It's complicated. :lol: Why reinvent the wheel, have you tried niemeijer transfers? Now that is complicated. http://home.nikocity.de/kwiese/konvent/Neimejer.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 It's complicated. :lol: Why reinvent the wheel, have you tried niemeijer transfers? Now that is complicated. http://home.nikocity.de/kwiese/konvent/Neimejer.htm I play that already, and the new scheme seems even better. If someone invented a wheel, why did someone else invented the tires??? Yes, to drive more comfortable :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 Looks quite good. More complex than Puppet Stayman but covers more ground. Like most method I've seen over 2NT, it doesn't solve the problem of responder being 5-3 in the majors and having to allow for opener being 2-5. I doubt any method can without having opener break transfers without a fit as Niemeijer does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 Looks quite good. More complex than Puppet Stayman but covers more ground. Like most method I've seen over 2NT, it doesn't solve the problem of responder being 5-3 in the majors and having to allow for opener being 2-5. I doubt any method can without having opener break transfers without a fit as Niemeijer does. Actually it does. Responder transfers, and if opener has 5-2 he'll bid 3NT, and responder can transfer the major he wants. :D 3D = transfer H 3H = normal 3NT = 5S-2H 4D = retransfer H 4H = transfer S 3H = transfer S 3S = normal 3NT = 5H-2S 4D = transfer H 4H = retransfer S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 ... it doesn't solve the problem of responder being 5-3 in the majors and having to allow for opener being 2-5. [i}I doubt any method can without having opener break transfers without a fit ... [/i] Actually it does. Responder transfers, and if opener has 5-2 he'll bid 3NT, and responder can transfer the major he wants. :D 3D = transfer H 3H = normal 3NT = 5S-2H 4D = retransfer H 4H = transfer S 3H = transfer S 3S = normal 3NT = 5H-2S 4D = transfer H 4H = retransfer S You missed my point. You do cover that case, but at the price of requiring responder to reach 4H on S xx H xxxxxx D xx C xxx when he least wants to--when opener only has doubleton support. With this structure responder can't count on bieng able to get out at 3H/3S as he can with simple Jacoby. The super accept with a fit is no porblem. Opposite 4 trumps and prime cards, the yarborogh above has a gret shot at 4H. I'm not saying that price isn't worth paying, I'm just noticing that it's there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 Since you said you have 3http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif free, I will give you a hint of maybe something you might like :P 2 NT - 3 http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif (forces 3 NT)3 NT - 4 http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif singlesuited slam interest4 http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif singlesuited slam interest4 http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif singleton and both minors slam 4 http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif singleton and both minors slam4 NT both minors slam going with void in Major5 http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif very little slaminterest, singlesuited5 http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif very little slaminterest, singlesuited Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 ............................................Hi Frederick!.................................... I like your invention! In my opinion is better to open low with strong hands instead of make self in problem sequence opening 2NT, but if you already did it, yoor "tires" looks pretty :blink:. ............................................Hi Trpltrbl!.................................... I think you miss: After 2NT-3C-3D: 3H = Smolen (4H & 5+S) OR no 4 card M OR slam invitation in m 3S = relay 4m = slam invitation m You already have slam hands with long ♣/♦!My suggestion is to use 3♠ as transfer for ♣ and 3NT as transfer for ♦ where strenght is only slam try and 3NT is not forcing.Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rado Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Hi Free and all friends, The bidding structure (2NT-3C) proposed seems to be much better that standart Stayman, puppet Stayman or Baron. At first glance I see only one little disadvantage: - the possibility to have single suited minor slam try when starting with 3C. This may often lead to wrong sided contract which might be crucial or to bidding misunderstandings like:2NT - 3C(relay)3NT (5 card S) - 4m = Cue agreening !S or single suited minor or...... That's why maybe the old idea for 2NT-3S/4C as minor transfers (C/D) fits perfectly with the other stuff. (to Misho only - 2NT-3NT as D transfer might be easily forgotten, so let's leave 3NT to sound as natural as possible ) BTW I'm going soon to insert this 2NT-3C structure in my regular live partnership so maybe after some time will have more practicle view on it. Best regards Rado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 I came up with the idea of using 3♠ as a puppet to 3NT. It can be used to play 3NT (with 3334 distribution for example) without asking or saying anything, or to show 4M-5+m slam try. Following bids are available after the puppet: Pass = to play 4C = 4H-5+D 4D = 4S-5+C 4H = 4H-5+C 4S = 4S-5+D 3NT is still available... Wrong siding the contract in singlesuited ♣ might be a problem, however to reach this 2NT, we open with 1♣, 2♣ or 2♦, which rightsides the contract most of the time :blink: We play some kind of modified Polish Club (we call it Logsta - our names) and 21-22 is included in 2♣ opening, 23-24 in the 2♦ opening, and 18-20 or 25+ in the 1♣ opening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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