which flavor?

[jillybean]

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sxxxxhkjxdakxcqxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

1♣:1♠

2♠:3♥

?[/hv]

[goobers]

Do it! :lol:

[pbleighton]

This is a game try. Do you play long suit or short suit tries? It sounds from your question as if you are playing long suit tries. Then partner has 5+ spades and 4+ hearts, else she would have bid hearts first.

 

You have a flat minimum with four little spades. OTOH, your hearts are nice and you have a 9 card fit. Do you feel lucky?

 

I feel lucky today, and bid 4S.

 

Peter

[goobers]

Actually I just had another thought, is 3N an option? All my values are outside the spade suit, I have no ruffing value... partner can always pull to 4S if he wishes.

[scoob]

neopolitan for me. barring that, i'll take the cherry garcia.

[whereagles]

3NT for me.

[EricK]

Due no doubt to the system you are playing, you have contrived so far to bid two suits on a totally balanced hand; and furthermore, the suits you have bid have been your weakest two. I really think it is time to tell partner that you have a balanced hand with stops in the unbid suits.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I would throw a dice, 1 or 2 kill partner, 3 or 4 he made

a long suit / help suit try bid 4s, 5 or 6 he made a short

suit trial bid 3S.

 

I am generous today, partner has a chance of 66% to

survive.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jdonn]

3NT for me. We are on the 3 level anyway, might as well play for game with such a bad hand for spades.

[jillybean]

Due no doubt to the system you are playing, you have contrived so far to bid two suits on a totally balanced hand; and furthermore, the suits you have bid have been your weakest two. I really think it is time to tell partner that you have a balanced hand with stops in the unbid suits.

LOL thats a vote for nt from you ?

[Walddk]

3NT, offering partner a choice of games. I would be surprised if we have exactly 9 tricks in spades.

 

Roland

[Fluffy]

4♠, the hand fits unless parnter has singleton ♦.

[mike777]

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sxxxxhkjxdakxcqxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP

1♣:1♠

2♠:3♥

?[/hv]

3H is very often just a game try, but it very well could be an advanced cue bid.

 

4D for me. 3nt would say to partner I only have 3 spades. 3nt is not a choice of games between 3nt or a 4-4 spade fit ok? ;) KISS

[Echognome]

3NT for me as well. Partner is still there to pull to 4♠ if he desires.

[neilkaz]

3NT for me as well.  Partner is still there to pull to 4♠ if he desires.

We agree ! Lousy 4 card support, no likely ruffing help etc. Also I really won't bid 4♦ here since I don't want to telegraph the opp's lead to ♣. If 3♥ is an advance Q, PD won't leave things in 3NT. If just a game try as is most likely, I honestly have doubts whether 4S or 3NT is favorite to make due to my flatness.

 

.. neilkaz ..

[Apollo81]

3NT since you want to accept the game try (nice hearts!) but don't particularly want to play in spades.

[helene_t]

If 3♥ is a short-suit trial, my hand looks even wrose than it already is, and if it's a long-suit trial, clubs may be open. Sounds more like 3♠ than 3N.

 

Then again, we might have just as many tricks in NT as in spades. 3♦ is nice if p is looking for slam, but otherwise it just postpones the decision. I'd rather bid 3N now than next round since 3♦ asks opps to lead a club.

 

So I try 3N.

[foo]

East,None,IMP,

♠xxxx♥KJx♦AKx♣Qxx

 

1♣-1♠;2♠-3♥;??

System and partnership style matter a lot here.

1= Are 2nd round Jumps by Responder Invitational or GF?

 

 

If GF, 3N offering a choice of games is clear. Your hand is not ruffing anything enough to be useful as Dummy in any suit contract.

 

 

If Invitational, I'm not as convinced as many others seem to be that you should just automatically bid game. Thin games are for =red= @ IMPs, not white. When white, you want to bid the 51+% ones and stay out of the 49-% ones.

 

Your 13 HCP 4333 is not providing any shape based tricks, and 13+11= 24. A tad shy of the 25 Points usually needed with a fit for 3N or 4M to be odds on. Another way to look at it is that pd usually has an 8 loser hand for their Invite. Since you also have an 8 loser hand, even making 9 tricks might be difficult.

 

 

2= if 3♥ is Invitational, what kind of game tries are you using?

If you are using short suit game tries, 3♥ means your hand stinks since x + KJx is not a good holding.

 

If you are using long suit game tries and Responder has 4+♥'s, your hand looks a lot better.

[Finch]

If

i) 3H is a long suit game try

ii) I raise freely with 3-card support

iii) I play normal opening bids

then

I bid an optimistic 4S

 

If raising 1S to 2S more or less promises 4-card support, I bid 3S.

 

If I play very sound opening bids, I bid 3S.

 

I'm concerned about the club suit in 3NT.

Can't partner have

AKxx

Qxxx

Qxxx

x

 

?

(game isn't great opposite that but 4S is the only one with any play)

He won't pull 3NT to 4S because we opened 1C, he is entitled to think we have them stopped...

 

If partner has

AKxx

Qxxx

x

Kxxx

 

Both 4S and 3NT are pretty vile, but I don't think 3NT is any worse.

[foo]

AKxx.Qxxx.Qxxx.x

Would probably be bid differently? Since Responder's shortage is opposite Opener's 1st bid suit, I'm not sure bidding ♥'s asks the right question?

 

AKxx.Qxxx.x.Kxxx

Should be raising ♣'s or making a short suit try in ♦'s, not bidding ♥'s?

[goobers]

For the hands posted with 4-4 majors, wouldn't hearts be bid first?

[skjaeran]

For the hands posted with 4-4 majors, wouldn't hearts be bid first?

Sure. Partner can't have any 4441 or 44M

[Finch]

OK, agreed partner can't be 4-4 in the majors.

If partner is 5-4 in the majors, and would pass 3NT (why not?) then 3NT is an even worse bid... I was trying to be generous!

 

AQxxx

Qxxx

xx

Kx

 

3NT is HORRIBLE and 4S is pretty good

 

If you think partner would make a long suit trial bid with 4-3 in the majors, then why doesn't he bid 2NT over 2S?

 

The more I think about it, the more I can't see 3NT as the right spot.

[jdonn]

OK, agreed partner can't be 4-4 in the majors.

If partner is 5-4 in the majors, and would pass 3NT (why not?) then 3NT is an even worse bid... I was trying to be generous!

 

AQxxx

Qxxx

xx

Kx

 

3NT is HORRIBLE and 4S is pretty good

 

If you think partner would make a long suit trial bid with 4-3 in the majors, then why doesn't he bid 2NT over 2S?

 

The more I think about it, the more I can't see 3NT as the right spot.

For each of those there is a Axxxx AQxx Qx Jx where 4♠ is 40% and 3NT is 90% (and when that is down, 4♠ was down two doubled). I think of it this way, either game could be best but some amount of the time that 4♠ is best, partner will pull 3NT. But if 3NT is best there is only one chance to get there. So I just describe my hand as being much better for notrump than for a suit, and let partner decide.

[skjaeran]

OK, agreed partner can't be 4-4 in the majors.

If partner is 5-4 in the majors, and would pass 3NT (why not?) then 3NT is an even worse bid... I was trying to be generous!

 

AQxxx

Qxxx

xx

Kx

 

3NT is HORRIBLE and 4S is pretty good

 

If you think partner would make a long suit trial bid with 4-3 in the majors, then why doesn't he bid 2NT over 2S?

 

The more I think about it, the more I can't see 3NT as the right spot.

For each of those there is a Axxxx AQxx Qx Jx where 4♠ is 40% and 3NT is 90% (and when that is down, 4♠ was down two doubled). I think of it this way, either game could be best but some amount of the time that 4♠ is best, partner will pull 3NT. But if 3NT is best there is only one chance to get there. So I just describe my hand as being much better for notrump than for a suit, and let partner decide.

I agree with Josh on this. Partner will almost always take 3NT out if he's 54 in ♠ and a red suit, either with 31 in the other suits or a weak doubleton (two small) in one.

 

Those times partner passes 3NT we'll most probably be in the best game - if there is a making game at all.