DWM Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sak2hj6dktcjt9752]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Bidding all your way P - 1♣1♥ - 1NT2♣ We play simple checkback stayman. I assume that this should be the case here as well since Dealer can still have an invitational hand. As you have no fit and a minimum for the 1NT bid do you pass the 2♣ now or bid 2♦ as the convention says? Would your bid change if playing IMPS rather than MP's? My thoughts were that P should not have 4-5 in the majors with 11 points as this would be opened, and unlikley to have a 10 point hand with 4-5 in the majors and much to shout about as this should be opened as well. Therefore he has 5 hearts and 10+/11 points otherwise balanced as he is happy to convert 2♠ into 2NT. Therefore leaving the 2♣ bid in could give us a good score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 What is checkback stayman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWM Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 After 1m - 1M1NT 2♣ is a bit like stayman First it asks for 3 card support for the major (max or min)Then it asks for 4 card support for the other major (max or min)Then it asks for strength of the hand. slospin.net has a good page on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I'd bid 2♣ before, now apss is appealing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 At IMPS, no question I pass for the safest positive. At MP, I bid 2D to allow a 2H sign-off, which will probably score higher than 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Wouldn't you have raised to 2♥ if you had three hearts? So responder knows you have two hearts already because you're balanced? If you had five spades and four hearts couldn't you just say 2♥ after the 1NT and if you had five hearts and four spades wouldn't opener have said 1♠ after your 1♥, if you had a spade fit? And what if you would just rather play in opener's clubs than 1 NT? Doesn't make much sense to me. But I've probably just missed the point entirely :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sak2hj6dktcjt9752]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Bidding all your way P - 1♣1♥ - 1NT2♣ We play simple checkback stayman. I assume that this should be the case here as well since Dealer can still have an invitational hand. As you have no fit and a minimum for the 1NT bid do you pass the 2♣ now or bid 2♦ as the convention says? Would your bid change if playing IMPS rather than MP's? My thoughts were that P should not have 4-5 in the majors with 11 points as this would be opened, and unlikley to have a 10 point hand with 4-5 in the majors and much to shout about as this should be opened as well. Therefore he has 5 hearts and 10+/11 points otherwise balanced as he is happy to convert 2♠ into 2NT. Therefore leaving the 2♣ bid in could give us a good score Geez is not playing 2clubs natural here more important than checkback by a passed hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: MP ♠ AK2 ♥ J6 ♦ KT ♣ JT9752 Bidding all your way P - 1♣1♥ - 1NT2♣ We play simple checkback stayman. I assume that this should be the case here as well since Dealer can still have an invitational hand. As you have no fit and a minimum for the 1NT bid do you pass the 2♣ now or bid 2♦ as the convention says? Would your bid change if playing IMPS rather than MP's? My thoughts were that P should not have 4-5 in the majors with 11 points as this would be opened, and unlikley to have a 10 point hand with 4-5 in the majors and much to shout about as this should be opened as well. Therefore he has 5 hearts and 10+/11 points otherwise balanced as he is happy to convert 2♠ into 2NT. Therefore leaving the 2♣ bid in could give us a good score Geez is not playing 2clubs natural here more important than checkback by a passed hand? Mike, isn't it 40 years since people quit making natural low-level ♣ bids? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Some people play 2-way nmf by an unpassed hand and 1-way nmf by a passed hand. (Precisely so you can play 2♣ as NF here.) Given that it only helps when clubs are opened (since 1♦ - 1♥/♠ - 1NT - 2♣-->2♦ is sufficient). Anyway, I pass at IMPs and I will bid 2♦ as instructed at MPs (presuming I'm confident of our agreements). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Hi, I suggest, that you rebid 2C the next time,I know the suit is ugly, but it is a 6 carder. I dont play Checkback, I play NMF, i.e. I would have to bid 2NT, if 2D is the neg. bid,do it, you can also bid 2H, partner should havea 5 carder, why else bid 2C, so you play your5-2 fit, since partner is a passed hand, he hasto pass. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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