whereagles Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Hi all. It's matchpoints and you have, at love all, this hand ♠ xx♥ xx♦ xx♣ QJT98xxx Pard you1♦ ... ?? 1♦ is sayc-like. You can't bid 3♣ because that's strong. A direct 4 or 5♣ is undiscussed. What do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 I pass with no regrets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Agree. Seems an easy pass. I may bid clubs later, but why do anything other than pass now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 You can't bid 3♣ because that's strong. That's too bad, I must pass. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 .ssap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Some tactical options, like 1NT or even a major, could work but certainly pass is the system bid and can't be criticized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Even thinking is an overbid: pass unless you don't like playing a partnership game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foo Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Even thinking is an overbid: pass unless you don't like playing a partnership game. Perfectly put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 I might bid 1N at certain times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 I might bid 1N at certain times. (Glub, glub, glub) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Pass, intending to bid clubs if giventhe chance et infinitum. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 This hand generated some discussion at the local club game the other day. At table where people bid, opener, who had a red 4-6 and extras, pressed on to 3NT, going 3 to 6 down. 1♦ would definitely make. I actually don't think 1NT is that bad, provided you have the means to sign-off in clubs subsequently. Still, without agreements, I'd definitely pass and hope for the best. Thx all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 For the 1 NT bidders:On the given hand, the bidding had begun with1 ♦ 1 NT2 ♥ I wihs everybody a good way to sign off in clubs now. I would try 2 NT, Lebensohl, but unluckily, pd will go on with 3 Diamond, because he has extra strength. You may try again to show a sign off in clubs. Impossible for me. So I am happy with my first pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 For the 1 NT bidders:On the given hand, the bidding had begun with1 ♦ 1 NT2 ♥ I wihs everybody a good way to sign off in clubs now. I would try 2 NT, Lebensohl, but unluckily, pd will go on with 3 Diamond, because he has extra strength. You may try again to show a sign off in clubs. Impossible for me. I'd pass 3♦ then. We probably go down but as long as we aren' t vulnerable and don't get doubled, it's ok. Opps can make 2♠. I'm more concerned about a 2N rebid by p. We won't be able to stop in 3♣ and maybe not in 4♣ either. Maybe the worst that could happen after my 1N is that opps bid 4M and partner doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I might bid 1N at certain times. Yes me too, when 1♦ is forcing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 codo/helene: after a 2NT or reverse+3♦, it might be possible to stop in FOUR clubs. This either makes or goes 1 down, depening on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 1 ♦ 1 NT2 ♥ 2 NT3 ♦ 4 ♣ to play? That is a position 1 ♦ 1 NT2 NT 3 ♣ to play is easier to understand, but with a 2461 hand no sane pd will bid 2 NT anyway. Congratulations for having a system where you can stop in 3 or 4 Club after this bidding. I believe that there are more useful meanings then to play it nonforcing, but I tend to pass hands with 3 HCPs when I have no sufficent bid to describe them, so maybe I am just oldfashioned. :( So what is wrong with1 ♦ (pass) pass (1 ♠)2 ♥ (2 ♠) 3 ♣ to show the hand? Of course any form of bluff or semibluff can work from time to time, but not this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 codo/helene: after a 2NT or reverse+3♦, it might be possible to stop in FOUR clubs. This either makes or goes 1 down, depening on defense. Hi, I doubt that I can stop in 4C, 4C is only in very few casesa possible contacrt. If opener makes a 3D rebid, I can pass.He may thank me, that I have great trust inhis declarer play, since without any reasons Iraised the bar by 2 tricks. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goobers Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 4♣ is Gerber! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 shoot that guy :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Pass and bid ♣ later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Say you are playing against your 2 average club game players who have taken lessons straight from the Audrey Grant series and have a reasonable grasp of constructive bidding. Naturally these 2 players fear you as you are the young hotshot and would never dream of doubling you under any circumstances and remember all the times you have doubled them and they have gotten flustered and blown 2 extra tricks than usual. You have this hand and partner opens 1D and RHO passes. If you would tell me in these conditions you would NOT bid, I would say you are failing to understand that a lot of bidding situations, especially tactical ones, are situational. If you would tell me this situation is very specific and will rarely arise, you are wrong. Another good example, yesterday I had xx xx KJxx QJTxx in third seat white/red. It went 2 passes to me. Of course against anyone who has any kind of skill at all I would just pass with this hand as it's retarded to bid, but I was as usual playing against 2 players who had a good grasp on constructive bidding but once you bid had no idea what to do. My partner ended up in 2H-1 and the opps were cold for 4S so we got a top. Say what you want about my "bad" bid but I think it was the right bid becuase of the circumstances they came up in. Really thats what I think this hand boils down to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Bidding against 2 weak players could be right, but you are trading your natural advantage for randomness. 1N doesnt bar pard and we've got past RHO already. I expect LHO to balance, and when we bid clubs, pard will have a good idea of our hand type. The time when I like to make a call with a hand like this if Im playing a game in a weak field, but I happen to be playing the strongest pair. I expect them to do the right thing if I pass - which rates to be an avg minus. Id like to make their job tougher so 1N has appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 ...you are trading your natural advantage for randomness.... When youre playing against people that aren't good there are just times when you know you can win the hand in the bidding. I think that's sorta what Justin's saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Naturally these 2 players fear you as you are the young hotshot Ah! i remember those days....distantly :wacko: Except they used to double me B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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