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This hand generated some discussion at the local club game the other day. At table where people bid, opener, who had a red 4-6 and extras, pressed on to 3NT, going 3 to 6 down. 1 would definitely make.

 

I actually don't think 1NT is that bad, provided you have the means to sign-off in clubs subsequently. Still, without agreements, I'd definitely pass and hope for the best.

 

Thx all

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For the 1 NT bidders:

On the given hand, the bidding had begun with

1 1 NT

2

 

I wihs everybody a good way to sign off in clubs now. I would try 2 NT, Lebensohl, but unluckily, pd will go on with 3 Diamond, because he has extra strength. You may try again to show a sign off in clubs. Impossible for me.

 

So I am happy with my first pass.

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For the 1 NT bidders:

On the given hand, the bidding had begun with

1 1 NT

2

 

I wihs everybody a good way to sign off in clubs now. I would try 2 NT, Lebensohl, but unluckily, pd will go on with 3 Diamond, because he has extra strength. You may try again to show a sign off in clubs. Impossible for me.

I'd pass 3 then. We probably go down but as long as we aren' t vulnerable and don't get doubled, it's ok. Opps can make 2.

 

I'm more concerned about a 2N rebid by p. We won't be able to stop in 3 and maybe not in 4 either.

 

Maybe the worst that could happen after my 1N is that opps bid 4M and partner doubles.

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1 1 NT

2 2 NT

3 4 to play? That is a position

 

1 1 NT

2 NT 3 to play is easier to understand, but with a 2461 hand no sane pd will bid 2 NT anyway.

 

Congratulations for having a system where you can stop in 3 or 4 Club after this bidding. I believe that there are more useful meanings then to play it nonforcing, but I tend to pass hands with 3 HCPs when I have no sufficent bid to describe them, so maybe I am just oldfashioned. :(

 

So what is wrong with

1 (pass) pass (1 )

2 (2 ) 3

 

to show the hand?

 

Of course any form of bluff or semibluff can work from time to time, but not this time.

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codo/helene: after a 2NT or reverse+3, it might be possible to stop in FOUR clubs. This either makes or goes 1 down, depening on defense.

Hi,

 

I doubt that I can stop in 4C, 4C is only in very few cases

a possible contacrt.

 

If opener makes a 3D rebid, I can pass.

He may thank me, that I have great trust in

his declarer play, since without any reasons I

raised the bar by 2 tricks.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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Guest Jlall

Say you are playing against your 2 average club game players who have taken lessons straight from the Audrey Grant series and have a reasonable grasp of constructive bidding. Naturally these 2 players fear you as you are the young hotshot and would never dream of doubling you under any circumstances and remember all the times you have doubled them and they have gotten flustered and blown 2 extra tricks than usual. You have this hand and partner opens 1D and RHO passes.

 

If you would tell me in these conditions you would NOT bid, I would say you are failing to understand that a lot of bidding situations, especially tactical ones, are situational. If you would tell me this situation is very specific and will rarely arise, you are wrong.

 

Another good example, yesterday I had xx xx KJxx QJTxx in third seat white/red. It went 2 passes to me. Of course against anyone who has any kind of skill at all I would just pass with this hand as it's retarded to bid, but I was as usual playing against 2 players who had a good grasp on constructive bidding but once you bid had no idea what to do. My partner ended up in 2H-1 and the opps were cold for 4S so we got a top. Say what you want about my "bad" bid but I think it was the right bid becuase of the circumstances they came up in.

 

Really thats what I think this hand boils down to.

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Bidding against 2 weak players could be right, but you are trading your natural advantage for randomness. 1N doesnt bar pard and we've got past RHO already.

 

I expect LHO to balance, and when we bid clubs, pard will have a good idea of our hand type.

 

The time when I like to make a call with a hand like this if Im playing a game in a weak field, but I happen to be playing the strongest pair. I expect them to do the right thing if I pass - which rates to be an avg minus. Id like to make their job tougher so 1N has appeal.

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Naturally these 2 players fear you as you are the young hotshot

Ah! i remember those days....distantly :wacko: Except they used to double me B)

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