Advancing (or not) a takeout double (free)

[gwnn]

I bid 2♠, but I realize it's less than a subminimum. I just feel the double fit floating in the air.

[Gerben42]

1.9♠ (meaning I would bid 2 but can understand 1). I cannot understand not bidding ♠ here.

[P_Marlowe]

2S, wtp?

 

... I have seen the results.

 

I dont care if you take the bid

as weak or encouraging, I have it.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[helene_t]

I voted 2♠ which is what I prefer to bid, but with an unknwon p probably 1♠ is safer.

 

With a flat 11-point with four spades I bid 2♦.

 

X is pointless with a hand with a clear direction. It is also very dangerous since most partners would pass it with an normal t/o double (three-card hearts) and everybody will pass with a 4-card hearts.

[asc]

2♠Too good to say only 1♠. We have 8+ cards in ♠. This can push rhem a little bit more in ♥. Yes the problem is when my partner doubles 3♥-3♠ -I can't stay yet.

[whereagles]

1♠, though I usually hate this answer this seems like a case of 'wtp'.

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[bid_em_up]

Had I bid 3♠, as I learned it, this would ask partner to bid 4♠ unless he has a good reason to not bid 4♠, essentially. But, 2♠ is a pure expectancy bid, somewhat "preemptive" in effect but "descriptive" in purpose.

I prefer that these two bids be reversed.

 

So that 2S shows a good hand inviting 4S, and 3S is purely preemptive.

 

After all, bidding 1S does nothing to preclude a 2H call (or a support X), and 2S doesn't gain much in that department either.

 

We are short in hearts, and we do have a presupposed double fit (clubs, spades). I dont expect 3S to be damaged that badly, should the opponents decide to defend (and they are correct).

[jtfanclub]

We are short in hearts, and we do have a presupposed double fit (clubs, spades).  I dont expect 3S to be damaged that badly, should the opponents decide to defend (and they are correct).

And if you don't expect 3S to be damaged that badly vulnerable...

 

Come to the Dark side, young Jedi....

 

 

P.S. We had a similar auction yesterday, I jumped to game with junk like this, LHO bid 5♥ or whatever the equivalent was, and partner brought down the hammer. +1100. I'd probably be smarter if the opponents would stop rewarding my stupidity.

[Halo]

I'd bid one spade. I'd bid two spades with 8-10. Cue with better than 10.

 

For me this approach is 'traditional' and may well not be optimal. I can see some attraction in being able to bid two spades as a weak preempt.