Gerben42 Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Partner opens 2NT, your bid with: [hv=d=n&v=i&s=sq63hj6432dkt7cj2]133|100|Scoring: All[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 I'd bid 3♣ in MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 3D, wtp? Game may not be cold and the safestgame is usually 4M. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 3N with my regular p, 3D with anyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 3♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 3♦, wtp? If p has 5♠ and only 2♥, he'll bid 3NT, so I really don't see the problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 3♦, although I might bid 3♣ if it is puppet stayman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 3D, wtp? TP is that it is hardly clear where you want to play if you have a 5-3 heart fit, with such bad trumps and so many quacky honors. If you transfer you will end up in 4♥ even if partner is 3=3=3=4... I would bid 3♣, regular stayman, although a direct 3N is tempting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Guess it depends on how resilient pard is and what the field is like. Hard to explain 3NT down something when 4H is a lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 3D Less optimistic than most here, but it is what I do. 3NT is a valid alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 I think that if I were playing Puppet Stayman or if the ♥J were the ♥10 or lower then I would bid 3♣. I'd transfer in the position given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 3♦. There are some players (the ones I know are not experts) who think that the sequence of 3♥ then 3N asks opener to bid 4♥ with 3+ support. For me, it asks opener to bid 4♥ with 4 card support or 3 cards and a suit-oriented hand. So I am quite happy to describe my hand as 5 ♥s, game values and willingness to abide by his decision. The alternative call is stayman followed by 3N if he doesn't show 4♥s, but I open 2N with AKx AQx AQJxx xx...don't you? I have found that allowing partner to exercise his or her judgment, after I have described my hand within system, keeps partner happy... and, yes, I understand that my hand is reasonably suited for notrump :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 There are some players (the ones I know are not experts) who think that the sequence of 3♥ then 3N asks opener to bid 4♥ with 3+ support. For me, it asks opener to bid 4♥ with 4 card support or 3 cards and a suit-oriented hand. So I am quite happy to describe my hand as 5 ♥s, game values and willingness to abide by his decision. Do you have a system to show an unbalanced hand with 5 hearts and a choice of games? Maybe you do but I think if you don't partner should absolutely be bidding 4H with 3 hearts. What do you bid with xx Kxxxx x Jxxxx? I bet most people would have to bid 3D then 3N. This auction is not analagous to 1N 2D 2H 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Transfer then 3NT, I hate stayman on this though I admit a number of experts do it. My personal experience is the 5-3 is way better in the suit the times partner chooses it, which should be usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 There are some players (the ones I know are not experts) who think that the sequence of 3♥ then 3N asks opener to bid 4♥ with 3+ support. For me, it asks opener to bid 4♥ with 4 card support or 3 cards and a suit-oriented hand. So I am quite happy to describe my hand as 5 ♥s, game values and willingness to abide by his decision. Do you have a system to show an unbalanced hand with 5 hearts and a choice of games? Maybe you do but I think if you don't partner should absolutely be bidding 4H with 3 hearts. What do you bid with xx Kxxxx x Jxxxx? I bet most people would have to bid 3D then 3N. This auction is not analagous to 1N 2D 2H 3NI do not have a method to show an unbalanced 5 card major as opposed to a balanced or semi-balanced, so I would be stuck with your example hand: I'd reach 3N rather than 4♥, unless my partner overruled me: I'd estimate that partner will overrule me, at imps, about 50% of the time holding 3 card support. That is clearly a cost, when 4♥ is superior, but we don't have a lot of room over our own 2N openings, and my experience (yours may differ) is that the semi-balanced or 5332 hands are far more common than minimum range 5-5 hands. That same experience suggests that there will be more hands on which a good partner will pass a good 3N instead of pull to a poor 4♥, on 5-3 fits, than there are hands on which he will pass a bad 3N instead of pull to a good 4♥ on the same degree of fit. Since I cannot cater to every 'game force but no extra' responding hand with a 5 card major, and since my experience suggests a significant frequency edge for the choice of games sequenceN, my transfer and then 3N sequences invite, and will continue to invite, partner to use his discretion. I will absorb the occasional disaster.... and should my accumulated experience begin to tilt the other way, I hope I will recognize it (cognitive dissonance is a terrible thing) and change accordingly :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgo Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 3D.Then 3NT. "Don't be brilliant, partner; it makes the rest of us look bad." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 I watched this hand being played by two forum regulars. The player with this hand shot 3NT, which was a much better contract than 4♥ even with the 5 - 3 fit. I think 3♣ would have been better than just shooting 3NT. To add insult to injury, one opponent had ♥KQTxx and could double 4♥ for an 1100 point swing opposite 3NT making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 and any one hand doesn't prove anything... AKxxKQTAJxxKx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 I voted "other", since I'd not be playing the poll alternatives.My choice would be either 3♦ (Jacoby) or 3♣ (Puppet Stayman). I'd go for 3♣, hoping for 4♥'s or 5♠'s in partners hand. Failing that, I'd bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 I play forcing transfer, wich means that after 2NT-3♦3♥= 3+♥3NT= 2♥ Before reading this post I would had bid 2NT-3♦3♥-4♥ but now I have changed my mind and saw why offering 3NT is a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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