awm Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Anyone have suggestions for defenses to the following two conventions? (1) Opening 3NT to show a sound preempt in either major (typically 8+ tricks)? (2) Opening 2NT to show a weak hand with 5+♥ and a 5+ card (unspecified) minor? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Anyone have suggestions for defenses to the following two conventions? (1) Opening 3NT to show a sound preempt in either major (typically 8+ tricks)? (2) Opening 2NT to show a weak hand with 5+♥ and a 5+ card (unspecified) minor? Thanks 2. 3H Michaels, overcalls natural, double is a strong notrump+, 3NT to play but based on a minor with a heart stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Anyone have suggestions for defenses to the following two conventions? (1) Opening 3NT to show a sound preempt in either major (typically 8+ tricks)? (2) Opening 2NT to show a weak hand with 5+♥ and a 5+ card (unspecified) minor? Thanks 2. 3H Michaels, overcalls natural, double is a strong notrump+, 3NT to play but based on a minor with a heart stopper. This leaves out takeout of hearts, which seems very important. I don't think passing first with that is very satisfactory. I would just make double takeout of hearts, but could be strong and balanced just like almost any takeout double. Also for 1:, I don't think any defense is needed, just make double a good hand and suits natural, and have an agreement about what double then double is, and what pass then double is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 It may also be important to have defenses after responder's call. Here are the responses I have for these conventions: (1) 3NT - Pass... 4♣ asks opener to transfer to his major, 4♦ asks opener to bid his major, 4M is to play if it's opener's major or a slam try if opener has the other major. (2) 2NT - Pass... 3♣ is pass/correct for the minor, 3♦ is a relay showing either a heart invite or a forcing request for the minor, 3♥ is to play, 3♠ is natural and forcing, 3NT is to play, higher minor suit bids are pass/correct and major suit bids are to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Re (2): From a thread about defending Wilkosz on RGB I mostly remember one quote (from someone whose team had given serious and practice of the issue), explaining that after a 5+/5 opening you don't go looking for 4-4 fits - either trumps break horribly or there is a ruff coming. "Without a big fit, we either play 3N or double them."So while I agree with Josh that you can't pass with a takeout double of hearts this is more so that partner can bid his 6-card suit with moderate values etc., not so much to find the 4-4 fit to play 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshs Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 It may also be important to have defenses after responder's call. Here are the responses I have for these conventions: (1) 3NT - Pass... 4♣ asks opener to transfer to his major, 4♦ asks opener to bid his major, 4M is to play if it's opener's major or a slam try if opener has the other major. (2) 2NT - Pass... 3♣ is pass/correct for the minor, 3♦ is a relay showing either a heart invite or a forcing request for the minor, 3♥ is to play, 3♠ is natural and forcing, 3NT is to play, higher minor suit bids are pass/correct and major suit bids are to play. Well the obvious defense is: Natural, x's of the 4C or 4D bids show that suit and a hand that is interested in competing. There is a case to be made after 3N-P-4C or 3N-P-4D to play x as strong balanced, and play pass and then x later as takeout (there is still a question of after making a strong balanced x, what advancers x should mean). Ideally you would want to do it the other way around, but since you don't know what their suit is yet, you can't make a takeout x of it yet. I am not sure of the frequency merits of being able to distinguish takeout from balanced, relative to being able to introduce the particular minor 1 level lower (particularly when your opponent might choose between 4C or 4D based in part on which suit he didn't want xed). I suspect over a strong 4 of a major bid, the strong balanced hand isn't that common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 (edited) Anyone have suggestions for defenses to the following two conventions? (1) Opening 3NT to show a sound preempt in either major (typically 8+ tricks)? (2) Opening 2NT to show a weak hand with 5+♥ and a 5+ card (unspecified) minor? Thanks *** EDIT *** Thought 3N was a preempt in a MINOR before. (1) Dbl = Any strong hand, suggesting to opps that they run. When they do, Dbl is PENALTY from both sides (how things change ... 4m is not 4M!)4♣ = ♣ + Major (edited)4♦ = ♦ + Major (edited)4M = Natural4NT = Minors5m = normal 5m bid (3N) p (4m): Treat as if 4m was the opening bid. (2) Dbl = TO of ♥ or any strong hand that does not wish to dbl 3♥ for penalty3m/♠ = natural3♥ = 2-suiter ♠ + hopefully other minor 2N p 3♥ p p X = penalty Edited June 14, 2007 by Gerben42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 1. Initial Double: Takeout of hearts. Delayed Double of 4♥ - penalty. Delayed double of 4♠ - takeout. 4 anything - natural. After 3N - p - 4♣ / 4♦: Double - any good hand; else natural. 2. Double - Takeout of hearts; else natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Anyone have suggestions for defenses to the following two conventions? (1) Opening 3NT to show a sound preempt in either major (typically 8+ tricks)? (2) Opening 2NT to show a weak hand with 5+♥ and a 5+ card (unspecified) minor? Thanks (1) pass = can be t/o of a major (dbl later); dbl = 15+ (semi-)balanced; overcalls natural; 4NT = any twosuiter (but not both majors!) (2) pass = can be up to 18, but unsuitable to bid; dbl = t/o of ♥ or too strong to overcall; 3m = good 6crd suit (13-17); 3♥ = ask to bid 3NT with ♥-stop (usually based on solid minor); 3♠ = very good 5crd suit (12-17); 3NT = to play; 4m = twosuiter m+♠ (Leaping Michaels); 4♥ = minor twosuiter; 4♠ = to play; 4NT = minor twosuiter, but weaker then 4♥. Steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 CASE 1 (3NT) ??What gerben said, but subsequent dbl = take-out (3NT) pass (pass) ??Same as (3NT) ?? (3NT) pass (4M)Treat as a 4M opener CASE 2 (2NT) ??dbl = 15+ bal3x = nat3♥ = minors3/4NT = whatever u like4m = leaping michaelsrest = natural (2NT) dbl (3♣) dbl = if opener passes, it's take out. If he bids 3♦, it's pen. Let's call this corrective dbl (2NT) dbl (3♥) dbl = responsive (2NT) pass (pass) ?? = treat as direct seat (2NT) pass (3♣) dbl = corrective (2NT) pass (3♥) dbl = take-out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Hi, #1 one option, would be to play a similar defence as against Multi 2D, i.e. e.g. X vs. 3NT is bal. 12-14or +18. #2 One could again play X as bal. 12-14 or +18, butit is also possible to play X as t/o against hearts. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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