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[jdonn]

Wow; how about a nice doubt-showing redouble by North?

That would be baaaad IMO. South has no idea what North is worried about.

Yeah, I never have a friggen clue how the partner of the doubt is supposed to know when to run when he has a little something. Call me crazy, but it's when I have doubt about my contract that I would rather not play it redoubled, even when partner thinks it will make.

Well, are you really going to use the blue card to play here? Seems piggish to me.

 

Even if the redouble is 'vague', it generally means "I have a problem with one of the off suits, can you help"? Isn't this better than no agreement whatsoever?

 

If you are playing for total points, redoubles like this are a bad idea. It could take you a month to make up for a loss like this. At MPs, redoubles like this are 1000% clear. Why should they talk you out of your best contract, and why can't we probe to see if pard can help a little? You always aren't going to get these right, but the xx at least helps.

 

Even at IMPs, the IMP scale discounts mega disasters like redoubled down 4. Assuming that the other table plays a partial, there's about a 6 IMP difference between -1100 and -2200. So it still makes sense to play the xx as doubt showing.

In south's case anyway, even at mps redouble should be to play IMO. It's not because he is piggish and wants more points. It's because he wants to say "FOD GOD SAKE PARTNER DON'T RUN". Yes I agree by north it's different, all I'm saying is that unless partner has a yarb and knows to obviously run like this hand, it turns an expensive guess into a VERY expensive guess. It still is just a guess, random vague agreements like that don't help.

[pclayton]

Wow; how about a nice doubt-showing redouble by North?

That would be baaaad IMO. South has no idea what North is worried about.

Yeah, I never have a friggen clue how the partner of the doubt is supposed to know when to run when he has a little something. Call me crazy, but it's when I have doubt about my contract that I would rather not play it redoubled, even when partner thinks it will make.

Well, are you really going to use the blue card to play here? Seems piggish to me.

 

Even if the redouble is 'vague', it generally means "I have a problem with one of the off suits, can you help"? Isn't this better than no agreement whatsoever?

 

If you are playing for total points, redoubles like this are a bad idea. It could take you a month to make up for a loss like this. At MPs, redoubles like this are 1000% clear. Why should they talk you out of your best contract, and why can't we probe to see if pard can help a little? You always aren't going to get these right, but the xx at least helps.

 

Even at IMPs, the IMP scale discounts mega disasters like redoubled down 4. Assuming that the other table plays a partial, there's about a 6 IMP difference between -1100 and -2200. So it still makes sense to play the xx as doubt showing.

In south's case anyway, even at mps redouble should be to play IMO. It's not because he is piggish and wants more points. It's because he wants to say "FOD GOD SAKE PARTNER DON'T RUN". Yes I agree by north it's different, all I'm saying is that unless partner has a yarb and knows to obviously run like this hand, it turns an expensive guess into a VERY expensive guess. It still is just a guess, random vague agreements like that don't help.

I agree; I only think the "doubt-showing" redouble works for the 3N bidder. He has a much better idea of whether or not his call is speculative or not.

 

Until South is consulted with a redouble, he's usually barred.

[pclayton]

If you are playing for total points, redoubles like this are a bad idea. It could take you a month to make up for a loss like this. At MPs, redoubles like this are 1000% clear. Why should they talk you out of your best contract, and why can't we probe to see if pard can help a little? You always aren't going to get these right, but the xx at least helps.

Using the blue card for blood is MOST useful at total points.

The non-linearity of the IMPs scale, and the discrete nature of the MP scale, make redoubling for business less useful. When every point counts, that's the time to make them regreat the fact...

Francis, I'm sure you play more total points than I do, but I strongly disagree with this.

 

Say you are North and you are looking at nine cashing tricks in 3N on any lead and that contract just got doubled. Are you really saying you are going to turn the cube here? There's secondary factors, but when you hold a long strong suit and outside stoppers, aren't you afraid that you letting the opponents chicken out and run to 4x?

 

Now you might say that as East, YOU are looking at five sure tricks: void, KQJTx, Jxxx, Jxxx for instance. Are you going to double 3N? I wouldn't. I probably can't set 4 of a minor. On the other hand, so I hold something like: x, AQJx, Kxxx, Jxxx. I expect to crush 3N, and I also expect to get a juicy penalty out of 4♣ x'd. So this is the kind of hand that I would double 3N with.

 

If you want to play brinksmanship and go all-in with an opponent that exhibits a semi-strong hand (i.e., weakness--> doubt), than go ahead and turn the cube. Just don't be surprised if your +300 in 4x doubled is worse than your 750 or 950.

[Fluffy]

Phil, you could write a book with all the text you Quote :D

[kenrexford]

Phil, you could write a book with all the text you Quote :D

Yeah, this sounds familiar.

 

Like, pclayton said that jdonn said that pclayton said that jdonn said that cherdano said that pclayton said that Suzy and Tommy were, like, seen at the drive-in on Saturday, or so I heard.