mike777 Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sak8h65432da98ck8]133|100|Scoring: IMP(1D)=??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 1♥. At the worst, its a killer chinese poker hand: 1. Straight flush2. 8's full of Aces3. KK9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 This is easy, 1♥. Who cares if partner is on lead, if he is I usually want a heart lead vs either a suit (to get a heart ruff) or notrump (to set up my suit) anyway. If we should be playing the hand, it's likely in a 5-3 heart fit. Double has some deceptive appeal but I don't like misdescribing by so much, and pass is from outer space and is the kind of thing I wish my opponents would do. BTW Phil good point but you should do 8s full of Ks and AA9, in case another opponent has KK for his first hand and outkicks you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 1♥. Sure partner might make a disastrous lead. But my partner's seem to make disastrous leads all the time. At least this time he gets to blame me for it. If I pass, the results could easily be as disastrous or worst. Why live in fear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sak8h65432da98ck8]133|100|Scoring: IMP(1D)=??[/hv] I pass, just in case jdonn's my opponent so he'll be happy. What is it that I accomplish by bidding 1♥? Pre-emption? Lead Direction?Finding game? Competing at 3 vs. 3? If I was feeling frisky, I'd bid 1NT. It's pre-emptive, it doesn't tell partner to lead the wrong thing, it helps us find game (especially in spades), and it gives partner a better idea of when to compete if the next bid is 3♦. Yeah, I'm a point short, but how many times will you have 6 controls with only 14 hcp? Not to mention 4 probable defensive tricks. All the experts are bidding 1♥. When I get better, I guess I'll say 1♥ too. Right now..it's close, but I like 1NT. If I'm feeling strict on point count, I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 I pass, just in case jdonn's my opponent so he'll be happy. Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted June 6, 2007 Report Share Posted June 6, 2007 Agree. Easy 1♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I do get a chuckle when people post ...easy.....1h or etc....:) I choose 1H but...Kantar=passWittes=doubleEisenberg=doubleMeredith=1S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I must truly be on drugs here. No one, including the pros, voted for 1NT. I stand alone, apparently, but it seems so right. Positive Points: (1) I have a 14-count with a (really trashy) five-card suit and primes.(2) My five-card suit is hearts (relevant to me, for weird reasons)(3) I have three spades (can handle and want to suggest a transfer)(4) I do not have 4-4 in the majors (also critical to me on this hand)(5) I have diamond stopped and some body in diamonds(6) I would not be upset if partner decides to make me play 3♣(7) If partner bids 3♣ invitational, I have an acceptance!!!(8) I have too many Aces and Kings to get doubled often.(9) If I am doubled, and partner leaves it, I like 2♥. Negative Points about 1♥: (a.) My hearts suck(b.) I don't want to hear 1♦-1♥-X and have partner be afraid to introduce his Q10xxx spade suit.(c.) I want to be on lead against a possible spade contract, or any contract for that matter. If we attack hearts against NT, which would be strange, I want to lead the hearts from my side. Overcalls in direct seat often transfer the lead to Opener.(d.) I don't want partner to place me in 3♥ when 3♥ is as hopeless as the opponent's 2♠/3minor. All that said, apparently I must re-assass. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Your first positive point about overcalling 1NT vul was that you have a 14 count with a bad main suit.... after that I stopped reading lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 And if this is from a bidding forum, how many voted for 1H? Meredith would not have bid 1S on this; the hand is too good.1H for me. Clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 And if this is from a bidding forum, how many voted for 1H? Meredith would not have bid 1S on this; the hand is too good.1H for me. Clear. 3..less than half if that matters... Meredith bids one spade???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Your first positive point about overcalling 1NT vul was that you have a 14 count with a bad main suit.... after that I stopped reading lol. Yeah, I got a similar icky feeling when I noticed great interest in 6-5-4-3-2 as a good suit for partner to lead. LOLOL I get grimaces when partner leads his or her Kx toward my J109xx suit. I'm sure they will love leading King from Kx into Declarer's AQ, with J10xx in dummy. "Why lead fourth-best from Q10xx in spades?" they'd opine. "My brilliant partner has five hearts for me -- he knows SOOOO much more about this game than little me!" I'd never hear the end of it. Nor would I see the end of it, for that mater -- partners would bid junk constantly, "If it's good enough for Ken, the great bridge theorist, then it must be right!" I could see a 2♥ overcall, looking to smack the opponents if they move over 2♥, much more than 1♥, personally. But, that would be silliness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 I think this is an automatic 1♥ call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Your first positive point about overcalling 1NT vul was that you have a 14 count with a bad main suit.... after that I stopped reading lol. Yeah, I got a similar icky feeling when I noticed great interest in 6-5-4-3-2 as a good suit for partner to lead. LOLOL Why you are laughing, I didn't list that as a positive point for overcalling 1♥! See the difference? :blink: In all serious though, of course I want a heart lead. Sure it can happen partner leads the king into declarer's ace, though even then I likely break even by having a head start to set up the hearts. I have 4 outside entries, what else would I want led but my 5 card suit! Meanwhile if partner has any heart holding at all that won't give up a trick immediately I want it led, if they are in a suit contract and partner might get a heart ruff I want it lead, and if he has QTxx(x) of spades I'm getting in again with a chance to reevaluate. Meanwhile, if the hand belongs to our side, 1♥ finds our heart fit while notrump and spades are still an option. If it doesn't, then I don't get creamed by overcalling 1NT outside of any range that normal people play. Look at it this way. If we belong in notrump, or spades, we have a decent chance to get there after any bid. If we belong in a 5-3 heart fit, we have one chance only to get there and that chance is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 To be honest, at the table I would overcall 1♥ without considering it a problem. I am aware of all the downsides of doing so, but it simply isn't in my list of calls I want to agonise over. In the same way, I open a 15-17 1NT on AKxx xxx xx AKQx. There are many downsides to that as well, but I don't worry about them every single time the hand comes up. What to overcall on a good-hand-with-a-poor-suit is a very common problem. Life at the bridge table is easier if you know what your style with common problems and stick to it. I would only overcall 1NT if you were paying me well and insisted on it. I would prefer either pass or double to 1NT. Here are the negative points for a 1NT overcall: - I am out of range- I have a 5-card major- I have nothing about my hand that suggests it should declare NT (no positional cards). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 Pre-emption? Nope. No pre-emption here. Lead Direction?If the opponents land in 3NT you probably want a heart lead. You will have all your side's entries (you have 14 HCP) and want to attack your long suit. A different suit is only like to be right if it is running, and it spades are running a heart lead probably won't be fatal. A heart lead against 4S is, I agree, more of a risk. Finding game? Yup. If you don't overcall 1♥ you won't reach 4♥ much of the time when it makes. xxx Axxxx x Qxxx , say. Competing at 3 vs. 3?Yes, why not? Yeah, I'm a point short, but how many times will you have 6 controls with only 14 hcp? Not to mention 4 probable defensive tricks. yes, all those lovely controls, just what I want for play in hearts.... I can live with a take-out double - in fact make my hand something like AKx xxxxx xx AKx and there would be huge vote for a double - but I can't live with 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goobers Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 This looks like a completely automatic 1H. My suit is bad, but my values make up for it, isn't this standard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 OK, I'm convinced, Frances (and others). I'll bid 1♥ at the table, without squirming. One more step towards becoming an advanced player, I guess. P.S. If you had one more HCP, say the AJx of diamonds, would that make a difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted June 7, 2007 Report Share Posted June 7, 2007 If the opening bid was 1♣, I would have no problem with doubling on this hand. Since the opening bid was 1D, and I really despise overcalling on such a crappy suit and all of my hcp in the other three suits, its either pass or 1N for me. If I had the diamond jack added to the hand (AJx, as suggested by jtfanclub), I would bid 1N. The additional point puts the hand in range of a NT overcall (not a strong factor), but it also gives me a second (possible) diamond stop. I don't like overcalling 1N with the opponents suit stopped only once and do so only if there is no other reasonable call. In this case, I will pass, knowing that it could be wrong. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 I would open this hand 1♦, and would double 1♣ opening Over 1♦ I like none of the options , I am close between pass and 1♥, I went for pass. I wouldn't criticize a double either, but not my style. 1NT is wrong on offensive values (2 HCP short), only if partner doubles them we will have our bid (not very likelly) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 Pass, the suit quality is terrible. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 OK, I'm convinced, Frances (and others). I'll bid 1♥ at the table, without squirming. One more step towards becoming an advanced player, I guess. P.S. If you had one more HCP, say the AJx of diamonds, would that make a difference? 1NT gets a real option. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted June 8, 2007 Report Share Posted June 8, 2007 My novice bid is pass, but I see I'm in the minority. I know I'm out of practice, but I may get the chance to bid again. And if I don't, then maybe it was never meant to be. The way I see it, if I pass, partner will be open to the possibility that I have an opening hand which isn't suitable for an overcall. If I overcall, partner will expect me to have better hearts than I do. At this point in my development, I'd rather lose the hand because opponents preempted and I couldn't fit a bid in on the second round than because I misled my partner, however small the lie was. 0.02 V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=b&s=sak8h65432da98ck8]133|100|Scoring: IMP(1D)=??[/hv]IMO _P_ = 10, 1 ♥ = 9, _X_ = 8, 1N = 5, 1 ♠ = 4.1 ♥ asks for the wrong lead and may prompt an unwelcome two or thee card raise.1 ♠ may precipitate an auction even worse for your heart.1 N is under strength and may wrong side the contract._X_ is off shape and you don't relish a club response._P_ postpones the problem to the next round if there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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