Patapon Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 [hv=n=skqj109h54dk32ckq3&s=sa53ha106da65ca654]133|200|Playing 6♠on the♥K lead...??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patapon Posted June 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 If LHO doesn't hold four cards in Club of course otherwise I think it never makes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 Am I missing something? Only hope is to duck opening lead, win assumed continuation, draw trumps, cash ♦A, cash remaining trumps pitching diamonds and the ♦K and hope clubs were 3-3 or that someone gets squeezed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 If LHO doesn't hold four cards in Club of course otherwise I think it never makes.. A squeeze would still be possible on west if he had 5 diamonds. There are also very good double squeeze chances if east guards clubs and diamonds are 3-4, though without thinking about it deeply I suspect a diamond switch might break that up. Here is one cool layout [hv=n=skqjt9h54dk32ckq3&w=sxxxhkqxdqt9xxcxx&e=sxxhjxxxxdjxcjtxx&s=sa53hat6da65ca654]399|300|[/hv] If west continues queen of hearts, east is squeezed in hearts and clubs. If west continues low heart, west is squeezed in hearts and diamonds. If west doesn't continue hearts at all, east west are double squeezed. So a lot of what we do depends on trick 2, though I admit if west continues QH we can't be sure who has the jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 I think you did miss something if you intend to pitch the DK! I don't think you meant this. At first glance, the only real chance seems to be to play lho for KQJ(XX) of H and 4C - this is unless the C were 3-3 to begin with, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 If LHO doesn't hold four cards in Club of course otherwise I think it never makes.. IF LHO has 3♣ it is cold... 5♠, 1♥, 2♦ 4♣. So the next step is to consider squeeze. Only one opponent (if anyone) can stop clubs. That person will not be able to guard both hearts and diamonds then. So this could be a compound squeeze. Best play is to duck trick one, to correct the count. If they continue hearts, only one of them will be able to guard hearts (as they will have to play the queen or jack on the second round). That will clarify the ending for you. So lets assume they shift to a diamond (best defense i think). Win in hand, as we will ahve to pitch diamond later. Pull trumps, lets say it takes 4 rounds, pitch one diamond. Ending is now... [hv=n=skhxdkxckqx&s=shatdxcaxxx]133|200|Now someone has had to make 3 discards. The idea is to figure out what suit between hearts and diamonds he has given up (if he has the four clubs). Lets assume for a moment it was EAST with one spade, and he threw two diamonds and a heart. From the diamond lead, you might now be able to determine he has at most one diamond left. Cash three clubs ending in north, is suit 3-3? no. Did east have four? Yes. Now take the diamond winner in north then lead the last trump. This is a double squeeze both in hearts, WEST in diamonds, EAST in clubs. [/hv] What if East throws a bunch of hearts? Now the double squeeze will be both in diamonds (don't cash the diamond).. instead, cash heart ACE, then two clubs keeping club ace, then last spade in this position.[hv=n=skhdkxcx&w=shqxdj9c&e=shdqtcjt&s=shxdxcax]399|300|East must throw a diamond, south let;s go a club and west a heart. A club to the ACE now squeezes WEST in the red suits. [/hv] The squeezes can not work the other way around, because if WEST has four clubs and can guard hearts, there is no squeeze, both club and heart threats have to be in south, and there will not be one in the upper hand. If east is long in clubs, they really have no defense. If you can guess correctly. But you do have to guess what suit EAST give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 I think the short ans is that it is not 100% , tho there are many layouts where it can be made, some involving some guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 I think this question wasnt properly introduce and the main guess here is the respoders guessing what the asker ment. So if you ment a different guess pls explain which guess is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 There's nothing to guess. You need to find ♣ 3-3 or a squeeze. In case you need to squeeze, your best chances are if you can keep a ♥ in your hand, so duck the first trick (if you take ♥A and try to rectify the count later on, opps can play a 3rd round of ♥ and then your only chance is a minor suit squeeze). Then just let it go like Ben says, a double squeeze (or a minor suit squeeze) may work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 It seems unlikely to me that E would make a deceptive signal at T1, which means that after we duck we will find out who has the Jack of hearts. Suppose E discourages and W continues hearts. Since a club-heart squeeze against W is impossible we assume W holds no more than three clubs. Win the ace, draw trump , cash three clubs ending on the board (important to end on the board). If E shows out on the third club you go down If clubs split you make. If W shows out you cash the remaining trumps pitching first a diamond and then, when E holds his club, you pitch your club. So far two hearts, three clubs and five spades have been played. E holds a club so at most two diamonds, W holds a heart so at most two diamonds, claim. If the play begins with an encouraging heart from E and a heart to E's Jack, the play is the same since W still holds the heart guard, just as before. Perhaps the interesting case is when E encourages and W continues with the Q. This give us new options (assuming we believe that the encouraging heart shows that Jack). Now we can make the hand against any distribution [Added: Not quite, since trump have to be drawn. If they are 5-0 we would have to cash the last spade prematurely. Other than that, "any" is right.] , providing we can figure it out what it is. But why did W offer us these options? A good question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbird97 Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Only line I see that makes any sense is to duck a heart and win the likely continuation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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