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You hold

 

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=sxxhaxdkjt8xcaqxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

in 3rd seat.

 

it goes p-3-?

 

What do you bid now?

 

what's your minimum for various possible bids (X 3NT 4 4NT(?)) with the same distribution? which are the ones you'd never consider?

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PASS

 

There is no bid that describes this hand at this level, and pass is not a dirty word.

 

Partner will always be there with an opportunity to re-open.

(What can you make with this hand opposite a flat 10 count? Not too much.)

 

DHL

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Pass. I disagree with Phil, it's an easy pass if partner weren't a passed hand too, it will just turn out to have been wrong more often.

Its an uncomfortable pass facing an unpassed partner, but I still pass. We could have a laydown 3N with pard holding a vanilla 12 count.

 

With a passed pard, all that appears to be at risk is the part score.

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what's your minimum for various possible bids (X 3NT 4 4NT(?)) with the same distribution? which are the ones you'd never consider?

Minimum for X: With this shape, at least 17 or 18. If partner bids spades I would simply hope he has 5 or 6.

Minimum for 3NT: About 16 with this shape.

Minimum for 4: I don't think I would ever make that bid with this shape. It's really a bid I try to avoid, I would need 6+ diamonds and some reason to think either 3NT isn't likely to be where we belong or just can't be bid. Also I would need quite a good hand.

Minimum for 4NT: Never with this shape. Ever.

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If I bid with this shape it would be 3N 97 % of the time and X the other 3 % of the time. I would bid 3N with some 15s, most 16s, and probably all 17s with a stoper. I With 15/16/17 and no stopper I would probably pass.
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For me, 4 is a convention but even if I played it as natural I'd rarely if ever bid it with a 5-card. The choice with this shape is between dbl followed by 4 over 3 (but then the diamonds must be solid), or dbl followed by 3N (which should show a much stronger hand a preferably 3, or just 3N. So most of the times I would bid 3N, which would take a queen more than this hand if partner is unpassed and a king more than this hand if he's passed. I'd sometimes have to try 3N without a hearts guard.

 

With AK of spades instead of A I'd probably dbl and pass 3.

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Unanimous? An easy pass. 4D for me shows D+S 5/5, (Would you seriously bid 4D on a 5 card suit anyway?). 3NT would need a much better hand, preferably, but not necessarily, a more robust stopper but definitley a source of tricks. 4NT with this shape and such weak suits is off with the pixies. Maybe xx x AKJxx AQJxx or similar as an absolute minimum.
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