Disclosure

[rienzi a]

I ask for information about a bid and am told "No information available". What's the point of this. I am entitled to information and am denied. This is denial of a basic right. Why give the other player that right to deny. it flies in the face of individual rights and makes no sense. It does irritate, though

 

Why, also, give the individuals the right to describe themselves as "Private"? This seems to me to be a masquerade

[vang]

I ask for information about a bid and am told "No information available". What's the point of this. I am entitled to information and am denied. This is denial of a basic right. Why give the other player that right to deny. it flies in the face of individual rights and makes no sense. It does irritate, though

 

Why, also, give the individuals the right to describe themselves as "Private"? This seems to me to be a masquerade

you are not entitled to information but to what agreements opps have. in main bridge club or individual contests, it's usual to have no (special) agreements. in other words, when someone says "No information available" (they do this by refusing to write something in explain box) it means "i have no special agreement with partner. you and my part shall understand whatever bridge logic says.".

[hrothgar]

 

I ask for information about a bid and am told "No information available". What's the point of this. I am entitled to information and am denied. This is denial of a basic right. Why give the other player that right to deny. it flies in the face of individual rights and makes no sense. It does irritate, though

 

Players have an obligation to provide the opponent's with a detailed regarding their partnership agreements. However, in many cases, they don't have an explicit/implicit agreement with their partner.

 

Why, also, give the individuals the right to describe themselves as "Private"? This seems to me to be a masquerade

 

I'd flip this on its head. What gives you the right to know any information about your opponents? Many people prefer to remain anonymous or limit the amount of person information that they provide.

 

Case in point: I just went and looked at your forum profile. You don't provide your real name, your email address, the country that you are from, or any other type of personal information. Whats the old saying? (People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones)

[1eyedjack]

Why, also, give the individuals the right to describe themselves as "Private"? This seems to me to be a masquerade

It is no more of a masquerade than would be a denial of that option and thereby encouraging dishonest self assessment of ability by those who would otherwise have self-assessed as private. At least by permitting this option you are on notice to draw your own conclusions at your own risk, when faced with that description.

 

Indeed any conclusions you draw are at your own risk, since the self assessment system relies entirely on the honesty, integrity and goodwill of the parties involved, and and even with those factors in place is prone to error.

 

You don't have to play with individuals who describe as private, except perhaps in an Indy tourney (and tourney host can ban privates if it is an issue for the host). If you set a table yourself you can ban privates, and you generally are under no obligation to join a table with sitting privates.

 

In a face to face game you might have no prior knowledge of the opponents' ability, except in very loose terms in a flighted event.

 

So what exactly is your problem?

[inquiry]

We are being a little harsh on rienzi a.

 

rienzi a, welcome to the bridge base forum. Hope you will come back again and post more ideas.

 

The "no information available" is generated by the computer, not typed in by your opponents. You are technically owed at least a statement like "we have no specific agreement" if you ask about a bid. Many people don't know how to respond or, in fact, that they owe you an explaination. Try to take it all with a grain of salt.

 

The private issue is a problem for many people. I see a lot of profiles that say, "no privates", etc. On the otherhand, there are people who, for a variety of reasons, choose not share information about themselves. You can do what 1eyejack suggest and avoid these people by not allowing them to play at the tables you host.

 

Ben

[BillHiggin]

Whats the old saying? (People who live in glass houses shouldn't thrown stones)

No no

People who live in grass houses shouldn't stow throwns!

:rolleyes:

[helene_t]

Hi Rienzi,

 

Welcom to the forum!

 

I agree with what Ben and other have said.

 

This is the "Full Disclosure" (FD) subforum which means it's about the self-explaing convention card feature. Some people here develop FD files (Gerben made the WJ2005 FD file, Cherdano (Arend) the BBO Advanced FD file and I made the Precision FD file. A lot of other FD files are posted and/or discussed here. I can understand why you thought that your question belongs here but actually it should have been posted in the General BBO Discussion subforum.