ochinko Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 All Vul, MP, West pass-pass-pass-??? ♠KQ♥KJT9xxx♦Kxx♣x The "book bid" with this hand is 2♥ I see no reason to mastermind.The "book bid" with this hand is Pass actually, because it doesn't fit in the Rule of 15 (pts + spades). Yet no one passed it so far. 2♥ in 4th position means a six cards suit and 14 points. Maybe good 13, maybe excellent 12. But not these 12. We have too little defense, first as a general strength, second, because of the wasted holding in spades, and third, because of the extra length in hearts. That's why I'd even prefer passing rather than opening 1/2♥ inviting opps to find their spade fit against which I have no defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 We don't care about partner here Ok now I see the problem. You should care, you could have game too easily, there is just no reason to misdescribe your hand. I don't understand why it's the end of the world if they overcall, my defense vs. 3♠ if they choose to bid it is very fair. I can buy that this hand may be too strong for 2♥. I do not agree that this hand contains better defense than would be expected for a 2♥ opener. But that's not what I said. I said/implied that I don't mind if the opponents get in and end up bidding (say) 3♠ since I have good defense against that. So I still don't see what is wrong with 1♥. Ohmygosh the opponents might overcall, the world is over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 No, it says 6 hearts, but when people say it's the bid they want to make they change the definition to 6+ hearts. Why? This may have merrits in 1st and 2nd seat, but in 4th seat I see no reason not to allow 2♥ with a 7-card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 One heart. No problems yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 No, it says 6 hearts, but when people say it's the bid they want to make they change the definition to 6+ hearts. Why? This may have merrits in 1st and 2nd seat, but in 4th seat I see no reason not to allow 2♥ with a 7-card. Because partner will pass on hands where game is good and he holds a stiff heart, not knowing the trump situation is so secure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Ohmygosh the opponents might overcall, the world is over! yeah sometimes people overreact on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Well someone has passed now, and that someone was me. I just don't like this hand at all. My hand is aceless, minimum, and KQ doubleton of spades doesn't look up to much. If opponenets balance with spades I won't be happy. Partner needs something like an opening hand for us to make a game with these cards, so I very much doubt I'll do badly with passing the board out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 1♥, wtp? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 What is this 'partner needs an opening hand for game' talk? QH AQD. Wrap it up. QD and any 2 aces, wrap it up. And there are only about a zillion hands where game is on a hook. Or partner has AJx(x) of spades and you get a fast pitch. We clearly have the best hand at the table, by a lot, how can we pass it out? Btw any single one of those examples make game even if partner has a singleton heart, which just shows what I still consider the foolishness of 2+♥ as an opening bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 I feel so lonelly at 4♥ *sigh*, oh well, 2 and 3♥ weren't an option in my system anyway :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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