MikeRJ Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=e&s=s1032ha92dq106ca1086]133|100|Scoring: IMP 1♠ PassPass2♥Pass ???[/hv] For my first post I would like to seek the forum's views on a simple question of valuation in a protective auction. What would you bid please? Do you think this is a clear cut situation? Thank you in advance. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I don't think this is clear, I think it is close between 2S and 3H. I'd go with 3H only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 2s In for a penny in for a pound. I think 3H is just too confusing for partner, I will take full blame.I did pass over one spade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Seems like a run of the mill 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 2s In for a penny in for a pound. I think 3H is just too confusing for partner, I will take full blame.I did pass over one spade. Both opponents have passed. Partner should not take my 3♥ bid as pre-emptive. I hate 4333s. 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Hmm... what ever happened to the theory that partner's balancing bid is based in part on our hcp? What ever happened to partner will double with good hands even with long hearts? What ever happened to "when your partner balances, don't punish him for doing it"? What ever happened to 3343 is a bad distribution? Everything sort of points to passing, except, I like to make constuctive raises with good 8 to 12 on these auctions. Sadly, i have to agree despite all the earlier concerns, I would raise to 3!H too. 2!S would never occur to me. Of course partner probably is limited to around 13 hcp, but he could be short in spades.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeRJ Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Thanks for your your comments. At the table I raised to 3H, feeling that should be considered fairly constructive. Partner felt I was worth a 2S cue bid. We missed game. I did consider passing, but that felt way too conservative. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Take away a King and you have a hand, which is barely wortha raise, i.e. either pass or bit 3H, playing IMP's makes 3Hmore attractive, being green a little less.But it would not be the first time, I returned with -50. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: In the given context 2S should promise opening strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Depends a bit on your agreements. If 2♥ is limited to, say, 12-13 hcp, pass comes to mind. If 2♥ can go higher, 3♥ seems fair. 2♠ would require a queen more, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Agree with Ben, you have to subtract a King or so from the same action in direct seat. As it is, you have a MINIMUM raise to 3♥. I repeat you have a MINIMUM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Simple raise to 3H, bid what you have , this hand not worth a stronger raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I wouldn't consider 2♠. I would consider pass but 3♥ is probably fine, especially since I read Justin's comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 3♥ should be constructive here. 2♥ in the balance tends to be more limited than a direct 2♥, but we may still have a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 The most normal raise to 3♥ there ever hath been. Completely average. Partner is not limited to 13, that is the old fashioned stinky way, why when you hold a random 14 or 15 do you want to double and see it go 2♠ p p then have no clue what to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 I would raise to 3♥. Partner;s lower limit and upper limit are both slightly lower than for, say, an opening bid, so it pays to be a little sounder opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Thanks for your your comments. At the table I raised to 3H, feeling that should be considered fairly constructive. Partner felt I was worth a 2S cue bid. We missed game. I did consider passing, but that felt way too conservative. Mike You 4333 hand is not a 2♠ cue bid to me, as PD with move to game on hands where you have no chance. Yes you have 2 aces and decent 3 cards support, but it is only 3 cards and it is unlucky there are any useful ruffs in your hand. I bid 3♥ and honestly, if forced to choose between pass and bid 2♠, I'd rather pass. Can't PD double and then bid ♥ with a really good hand and ♥ ? .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 (edited) Hi everyone If you cuebid here, you are hanging partner for his 'balancing' 2H bid. I would not raise to 3Hs opposite a decent partner. After (1S)-p-p-partner should bid 3H with 12-16HCP and a good suit. He bids 2H with up to about 14HCP with 5 hearts. The bottom range for this bid is much lower. cherdano You are 'balancing not overcalling' on this hand. My 2/1 'overcalls' have a much higher minimum and maximum that many players on this forum. My 'balancing' examples should not be posted as young children or those with weak hearts might be seriously damaged 'if' they saw what I sometimes held when I 'balanced.' The style that I use tends to double holding very strong 6 card suits and 15-16HCP.With a very strong suit and a good 12HCP you also bid 3H. If you bid 2H with up to 16HCP in balancing seat, your bidding is wrong. I would have chosen another phrase, however, you did post that my bidding was 'wrong.' Regards, Robert Edited June 2, 2007 by Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 After (1S)-p-p-partner should bid 3H with 12-16HCP and a good suit. He bids 2H with a 12 or less points. This is wrong. 3♥ needs a very good 6-card suit at least, so there are many hands with up to 16 or so hcp and 5 hearts that will just overcall 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 I'd raise to 3♥, but I'm minimum for that when partner balanced.A 2♠ cue would never ever occur to me with this hand - I'd pass several times before bidding 2♠. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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