Hand from Illini Regional II

[redbird97]

[hv=d=n&v=b&s=sxhjxxxd10xxxxcjxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

 

Opps silent

 

North South

2c 2h(1)

2S ?

 

 

1) 2H denies an A or K and you have at most 2 Queens.

[jillybean]

3♦ or 2nt whichever is weakest :)

[han]

2NT, gives partner the chance to bid out his hand. To me this does not show a balanced hand nor does it show stoppers. The only danger is that it wrongsides the contract.

 

I don't like bidding 10xxxx after a 2C auction.

[mike777]

Dealer: North Vul: Both Scoring: IMP

♠ x ♥ Jxxx ♦ 10xxxx ♣ Jxx

 

 

Opps silent

 

North                                                South

2c                                                  2h(1)

2S                                                    ?

 

 

1) 2H denies an A or K and you have at most 2 Queens.

you need to agree if 2s is 100% forcing or not.

 

If no agreement I bid....3d.... I mean 2nt...:)

[han]

I bet 100% forcing Mike.

[Guest Jlall]

I'd go 3D.

[mike777]

I bet 100% forcing Mike.

Well I know for a fact it may be 23 hcp and 5 spades on another hand...so.....this one not sure....

 

edit..yep 2s is one round forcing.

[jdonn]

Very easy 2NT to me. If partner has spades and clubs he will be just thrilled I chose to get in his way to show my Txxxx in a minor. And it's not like he is expecting any sort of great stoppers after the 2♥ bid, just no fit and no suit worth bidding.

[Fluffy]

3♦ because I don't wanna wrongside the contract, 2NT is close

[hatchett]

2NT for me

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

since you gave Pass as an option,

I will choose it, it may have been

the Monkey option ...

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Finch]

3D. Longest suit at the lowest level.

 

(I'm not used to this strange method where 2C followed by a suit rebid isn't game forcing. As far as I am concerned if partner seriously has spades and clubs he can bid clubs over 3d.)

[Gerben42]

If pass is an option I pick pass. If 2♠ is forcing then why is pass in the poll? In that case I bid 2NT.

 

In my way of bidding after 2♣ I would have responded 2♠ directly asking partner to pass with an Acol Two in ♠.

[Codo]

If pass is an option I pick pass. If 2♠ is forcing then why is pass in the poll? In that case I bid 2NT.

 

In my way of bidding after 2♣ I would have responded 2♠ directly asking partner to pass with an Acol Two in ♠.

yes and you should not ask this question anyway. You shouuld have an agreement about this opening and respond structure: IF you define 2 Spade as passable you have no choice. If it is gf, you should bid your second negative, 2 NT, 3 Club, whatever you choose.

If you have no second neg. you should show your suit, Diamonds in this case, yes I know, this is too high in case he has clubs. But OTOH do you prefer 3 NT to be played from his or from your hand?

[redbird97]

Pass is in the poll because that is what our expert (real, not BBO) opponent did at the table. It is safe to say that most people play this auction forcing to 3 of a major or 4 of a minor.

 

For what its worth Declarer made 2s, scoring 4s,2h,0 diamonds and 2c. Our team mates eventually got end played into breaking clubs.

 

My partner bid 3d, I bid 3h (AKQxx, AKxx, K, A10x) and pard boosted me to game. I mean him. Damn him, he stole the hand from me when he bid 2h :o

 

We ended up +620 and won a few.

[inquiry]

Pass is in the poll because that is what our expert (real, not BBO) opponent did at the table. It is safe to say that most people play this auction forcing to 3 of a major or 4 of a minor.

 

For what its worth Declarer made 2s, scoring 4s,2h,0 diamonds and 2c. Our team mates eventually got end played into breaking clubs.

 

My partner bid 3d, I bid 3h (AKQxx, AKxx, K, A10x) and pard boosted me to game. I mean him. Damn him, he stole the hand from me when he bid 2h :o

 

We ended up +620 and won a few.

I am a huge FAN of Chris Ryall's method were

 

2C - 2H = no tricks for a heart contract (a side King is considered a trick)

2C - 2S = no tricks for spade contract, by inference a ruffing trick for hearts, presumably at least 4♥.

 

Playing this method, we open ACOL two bids in a major (8 tricks, 5+ controls) and after 2C-2H- opener can pass, and after 2C-2H-2S, responder can pass, and frequently does so. With a trick, however, he can not pass. So opener with 10 tricks, needs to jump to 3S, with 9, he can bid 2S.

 

Many people play 2C-2H as a disaster hand, few play both 2H and 2S response as showing such hands. But I very much like getting the ACOL two bids out of my 1M opening so that I can limit my opening bids (I play very light opening bids, so I don't want too wide a range between my strong 1M opening and my weak 1M opening). I also remove all strong two suiters, all strong three suiters, and acol 2 in a minor (here 9.5 tricks) from opening 1 bids as well.

 

On this hand, the auction would have been...

 

2C-2S

4H-Pass

 

You can read more about Chris's methods on his excellent webpage, http://www.cavendish.demon.co.uk/bridge/index.htm

 

Playing only 2♥ as a negative bid, I would rebid 2NT here.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass is in the poll because that is what our expert (real, not BBO) opponent did at the table. It is safe to say that most people play this auction forcing to 3 of a major or 4 of a minor.

<snip>

fine, ... but what was his partnership agreement

regarding the nature of 2S (forcing / non forcing)?

 

Just because most people play it as forcing, does not

mean a specific partnership plays it that way,

e.g. if you play a structure like Benjamin, in which case

2S is nonforcing.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Gerben42]

Pass is in the poll because that is what our expert (real, not BBO) opponent did at the table. It is safe to say that most people play this auction forcing to 3 of a major or 4 of a minor.

 

Ah the 2♣ opening bid was slow, wasn't it? Got what he deserved then :o

[Apollo81]

I would bid 3♦ because partner already knows my hand is crap and I really don't want to wrongside 3NT should that be the final contract.

[jdonn]

Ben, I have never played the method but why does the 2♠ bid have to promise 4 hearts, wouldn't 3 hearts and a singleton spade still be a ruffing trick for hearts?

[inquiry]

Ben, I have never played the method but why does the 2♠ bid have to promise 4 hearts, wouldn't 3 hearts and a singleton spade still be a ruffing trick for hearts?

Yes 3♥ and a stiff will work in a pinch. So far, when I have made the bid, I have had four hearts or more, however. With 3H and no singleton, I would bid 2♥. Actually, I think Chris wants wants 2♠ to include a queen somewhere, but I go with ruffing trick for hearts for this bid, as that seems best suited for the method I play.

[redbird97]

Pass is in the poll because that is what our expert (real, not BBO) opponent did at the table. It is safe to say that most people play this auction forcing to 3 of a major or 4 of a minor.

<snip>

fine, ... but what was his partnership agreement

regarding the nature of 2S (forcing / non forcing)?

 

Just because most people play it as forcing, does not

mean a specific partnership plays it that way,

e.g. if you play a structure like Benjamin, in which case

2S is nonforcing.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

This would suggest a flaw in the Benjamin system.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass is in the poll because that is what our expert (real, not BBO) opponent did at the table. It is safe to say that most people play this auction forcing to 3 of a major or 4 of a minor.

<snip>

fine, ... but what was his partnership agreement

regarding the nature of 2S (forcing / non forcing)?

 

Just because most people play it as forcing, does not

mean a specific partnership plays it that way,

e.g. if you play a structure like Benjamin, in which case

2S is nonforcing.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

This would suggest a flaw in the Benjamin system.

???

 

I would say, it is not the worst idea to have the

option to sign of at a low level, if partner is broke.

The Benjamin Structure has certainly flaws, but this

one it surely aint.

 

The Benjamin structure has a game forcing bid,

but it is not 2C, and if 2C is game forcing (or forcing to

what ever), than pass is not an option.

Pass forcing bids, and you better be right (and even than

it may not worth it, because you start destroying partnership

trust).

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jgo]

My hand was actually x,J9xx,Jxxxxx,xx.

Hearts were 3-2, Spades 4-3, so there was nothing to it.

 

-Jim O'Neil