jdeegan Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sj72hkq42da9caj72]133|100|Scoring: MPP-P-1NT-P2♦-P-2♥-2♠P-P-???[/hv] :) MP in a BBO indy. 15-17 NT openers. UR bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I would have superaccepted. Now I still bid 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 When the problem has no problem we create another hehe. I wouldn't had supperaccepted, I still count my HCP on balanced hands :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I also would not superaccept. Since this is an indy, I wouldn't bid 3♣ now either! Keep it simple: 3♥... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 3♥ wtp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 3♥ natural Once every 10 hands, you'll make 4♥ after this auction. The look at opps' face when u make 4♥ will be quite pleasant. btw 3♣ has a strange appeal (unless you open 1NT on 2425 hands). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Given the vulnerabilty and that west choose to bid spades after partner has shown his suit and is still relatively unlimited (well he is a passed hand), I think West has solid spades and hoped to run six of them or seven of them against 1NT should partner have passed. I will be a sheep and follow the crowd with a 3♥ bid here. At the very least, I should have LOTT protection, we have at least a nine card heart fit, and I think WEST has six-seven spades all by himself. Funny how LOTT proection is often no protection at all, however. I hope it doesn't go 3♥X all pass.... but it only matchpoints afterall, the worse I can do is get a zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 BY the way, I feel much less comfortable about bidding 3H now. LHO has shown some values so it might be possible for RHO to double us, while this would have been much harder to do over a direct 3H. I don't really understand bidding only 2H. We have great trumps, two outside aces and potential ruffing value. This looks like a good hand to me. Just counting HCP seems wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 BY the way, I feel much less comfortable about bidding 3H now. LHO has shown some values so it might be possible for RHO to double us, while this would have been much harder to do over a direct 3H. I don't really understand bidding only 2H. We have great trumps, two outside aces and potential ruffing value. This looks like a good hand to me. Just counting HCP seems wrong. I like bidding 3♥ the first time on the understanding it doesn't promise a max, just a good looking minimum, and using all the other inbetween bids for real super accepts. I understand your desire to have bid 3♥ before, but I don't think it's even an option without a special agreement. Partner will bid game over that on some relatively weak hands, expecting you to truly have a max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 I chose double (alone! so far). Obviously wrong, but why can't I suggest +200 at MP? Intelligent partner is still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 Intelligent partner is still there. I doubt it, this is an individual. Besides, how is partner supposed to know that you have such a great hand for hearts and a rather poor hand for defending 2S? Josh, I agree that in a pick-up partnership it may be wrong to bid 3H, but I would do it if I were playing with a partner I respect, or even with you :P . So let me rephrase: I don't understand why someone would agree that it is not permitted to superaccept with a hand as good as this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Sorry but I gotta say...this hand is terrible. If you super accept with this hand I will assume you super accept at least 90 % of the time because to me this is a bottom 10th percentile hand of hands that have 15-17 balanced with 4 trumps. Even if I had the agreement to super accept with this hand I would not. Did jacks become good all of the suden? And the heart queen will often be wasted and is not a great card. The only thing good about this hand is that it is not 4333. In fact having bid 2H if partner made an invite I would not bid game with this. 3H now is routine. I do believe that by super accepting we will lose far more by getting to terrible 3 and 4H contracts when we could have bought it for lower than we will gain by getting to good games that would be missed or preempting the opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 If I can show a superaccept with 4hearts and a minimum hand over 2D I use it.Of course I play 123 stop also, so...:P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 The queen will only be wasted if partner has the ace, and even then it is of value. I'm surprised to read you write that a hand with 4-card support, 3 keycards, the trump queen and a doubleton is one of the worst 15-17 hands you can have. Give partner x J10xxxx xxx Q10x and game is basically on a hook, but I doubt partner will bid it over a minimum superaccept. Moreover, the opponents likely make 4S if partner has that hand. I admit that this is a perfect fit, and that all of our cards except the spade jack are working. I do think that the spade jack is the only really bad point in our hand. I appreciate your comment as always but I have to think some more about this one before I accept it as wisdom. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 The queen will only be wasted if partner has the ace, and even then it is of value. If partner has 6 hearts I would also rather have the HQ somewhere else that is useful than in hearts. I don't think it is always wasted I just don't see it as a great card. It is pretty average. I'm surprised to read you write that a hand with 4-card support, 3 keycards, the trump queen and a doubleton is one of the worst 15-17 hands you can have. That is not what I said. If you super accept with this hand I will assume you super accept at least 90 % of the time because to me this is a bottom 10th percentile hand of hands that have 15-17 balanced with 4 trumps. Super accepting already shows 4+ trumps. You cannot upgrade a hand to a super accept because it has 4 trumps. My point is simply that of hands that you are super accepting with you are accepting one near the bottom of the range. This would imply you almost always super accept with 4 trumps. Give partner x J10xxxx xxx Q10x and game is basically on a hook Ty. This is not the only hand he can have. To evaluate properly you will need to look at more than random perfect fitting hands. I do think that the spade jack is the only really bad point in our hand. 1) we have no spot cards2) the club jack is not a great card3) you're right, stray jacks are terrible4) our honors don't work well together except for our hearts which is negated by the fact that sometimes that is wasted. My points are maybe better illustrated by giving a hand of my own Imagine you had AKxx Qxxx AQx xx. This hand is very good because the honors work well together, xx and AKxx are much better than Ax and Kxxx. Ax is really not a great holding. There are no jacks so if partner is going to bid a slim game that will be helpful. The heart queen alone is a pretty good holding, this is a better hand than say Axxx KQxx AQx xx because their is less chance of wasted values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Sorry for misquoting, that was not intentional. I certainly agree that the hand you gave is a better hand. I also agree that I superaccept with most hands containing 4-card support. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted May 26, 2007 Report Share Posted May 26, 2007 Partner had a chance to voice an opinion that this hand is ours because 7+hcp added to 15; because H very long; because 2nd suit. Expect a rag escape over there and fear they make 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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