11 red cards

[han]

Agree with mike777.

[inquiry]

ok, given this system, I would never rebid 3S with that hand example

It is not clear this is the compainion hand. Gwnn posted the problem, Halo is telling us what the hand was. They may have been partners, it is not entirely clear. If you were playing 1H-2S as preemptive, then 3S rebid here is normal (and forcing). Since you are not, responder is stuck for a bid. 3S is not forcing in the quoted methods, so a 3♥ bid over 3♦ seems necessary

 

On the given hand, MisIry would end up in 4♥, which may not be the best spot, but that is where it lands. 2NT-3C-3D-4C-4D-4H-Pass

 

2N = clubs weak, or H+S or H+D strong

3C = could also bid 4C "raising the preempt"

3D = four losers, red two suiter... responder with two sure covers, and two possible ones in spades will bid at least game

4C = promises A or K of spades, denies a club control

4D = either two club losers, or the spade card promised is wasted

4H = cheaper game (5D maybe better, but can't get there, and 4♥ has no guarantee).

[Halo]

It is not clear this is the compainion hand. Gwnn posted the problem, Halo is telling us what the hand was. They may have been partners, it is not entirely clear.

Kind of silly comment.

 

Just to be really clear, I responded to Mike777 'gals and guys' what's your partenr got. I don't know the specific hand (as if that matters). If my hand causes you some emotion then it was worth describing.

[jdonn]

ok, given this system, I would never rebid 3S with that hand example

It is not clear this is the compainion hand. Gwnn posted the problem, Halo is telling us what the hand was.

I think you misunderstand, if I'm wrong I'll surely be corrected but it looks to me like Halo was just giving an example of what he/she expects a 3♠ bid to look like. To me that looks like a perfect 4♣ bid if that could be understood as a choice of games on an auction where the players are limited to game values. I guess it's just a matter of weighing what I consider the slight chance you will belong in 3NT when responder can't conveniently bid it against the times responder would be forced to choose between ridiculous contracts when he lacks game values.

[Halo]

Jdonn has interpreted my comment correctly - so I am grateful to him/her.

[jdonn]

Jdonn has interpreted my comment correctly - so I am grateful to him/her.

'Your Majesty' will be fine thank you.

[Halo]

But is it Mr Majestyk or her Majesty.

[jdonn]

It's "Your Majesty Jdown"

[gwnn]

Halo was very close actually:)

 

AJT7xx

xx

AQ

xxx

 

the bidding went

 

1♥-1♠

3♦-3♠

3NT

 

in the other room (opps playing pedestrian standard).

 

11 IMP to the bad guys (my declaring skills were not very good, getting -150 instead of -100 but it didnt matter really).

 

Finding 3NT seems hard but 5♦ looks very reasonable (on the given lie of cards it makes, hearts are 3-3 and diamonds 4-1, the spade 5-2 and the offside ♣A don't matter).

 

All in all, thank you for your ideas/suggestions. Of course both Codo's and Fluffy's suggestion of 3♠=forcing and Josh's 4♣=cog sound playable. We'll just have to see which one we'll adopt.

 

one more question: if 3♦ on ♣AQT is wrong, what's the "correct" rebid?

[jdonn]

one more question: if 3♦ on ♣AQT is wrong, what's the "correct" rebid?

2♦, it shouldn't deny a max or even a 5-5 max, just denies that a 3♦ rebid is descriptive.

[Codo]

Hi Josh,

 

so you prefer 2 Diamond to be from a 10 point count 5/4 to a 14 point count 5/5?

GL for your pd while evaluating his hand, I think you really give him a problem with many many common hand types.

Possible but maybe not best?

[han]

so you prefer 2 Diamond to be from a 10 point count 5/4 to a 14 point count 5/5?

I can't believe you are saying this. In standard bidding 2D shows anything from 12 to 18 points. How can it be a disaster to play that it shows 10-14 points. Oh no, dear partner!

 

3D should be a very descriptive bid, telling partner that hearts and diamonds are the main features of your hand. Given that you likely don't have a major suit fit, AQ10 in the unbid suit is such an important feature that I wouldn't bid 3D with that either.

[jdonn]

so you prefer 2 Diamond to be from a 10 point count 5/4 to a 14 point count 5/5?

I can't believe you are saying this. In standard bidding 2D shows anything from 12 to 18 points. How can it be a disaster to play that it shows 10-14 points. Oh no, dear partner!

 

3D should be a very descriptive bid, telling partner that hearts and diamonds are the main features of your hand. Given that you likely don't have a major suit fit, AQ10 in the unbid suit is such an important feature that I wouldn't bid 3D with that either.

Ditto.

[Codo]

Hi Han,

 

I sometimes have problems in German in telling the things I thought- even more in English.

 

But I thought the interrogation marks told that these sentences are questions, no opinions.

 

The main advantage of big club is the limited nature of most bids, so you should make the best out of your structure, there is no need to compare the 2 Diamond bid in this example with a 2 Diamond bid in a natural system.

 

You (and Josh) believe, that it is more relevant to show the position of your high cards compared to overall strength and shape. (in the few cases where you cannot have anything). I don´t have such a clear preference.

I would surely bid 2 Diamond with f.e. x, AKxxx,xxxxx,AQ too. There is a border, where you downgrade your length, but to bid 2 Diamond with

void, xxxxx,AKxxx,AQt is quite a position I would not take.