5611 after minor preempt

[jillybean]

Dealer: North Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ AKQJ9 ♥ 965432 ♦ Q ♣ 6

 

West North East South

 

 -     2♦    Pass  ? 

 

 

How do you plan to bid this?

[hrothgar]

2♠ natural and forcing.

 

I plan to rebid 3♥ over 3♦. If partner raises Spades, I'll guess that he is 3=1=6=3 and bid game.

 

If the auction proceeds

 

2♦ - 2♠

3♦ - 3♥

3♠

 

I'll pass

[Gerben42]

How do you plan to bid this?

 

Not at all. Pass.

[whereagles]

Pass. There's a nice chance it goes

 

2♦ pass pass 3♣

pass 3NT

 

and I'll lead 4th best :)

[Chamaco]

The key point is which major to respond (forcing, as Richard points out)

 

In this situations, I treat a xxxxxx 6 bagger as if it was a 5 card suit. Hence, bidding 2 spades becomes spontaneous.

 

In general, a rule of thumb that I personally use is to "downgrade" a long suit without honors as if it was shorter by 1 card: so, a 4 card suit with no honors is bid as 3 card suit, a 5 card suit is bid as a 4 card suit.

 

Conversely, suits with 3 honors are considered 1 more card in length: AKJx is treated as 5 card suit, AKQxx is considered as 6 card suit. etc etc.

 

I am not going to say that this does not bring inn trouble, but in my experience (provided pd knows that), the advantages tend to outweight the minuses

[pbleighton]

Pass makes sense with such a low ODR.

 

:)

 

2S.

 

Peter

[mikeh]

pass seems clear.

 

Bidding works only when partner fits ♥s; his holding 3♠s is no help since they will lead ♣s and tap you before you can establish the ♥ suit. The odds of him holding 3 ♥ and either a minor Ace or the ♥A or the K with the A onside are too remote to go chasing.

 

Pass smoothly... you have a chance of making 2♦, and I agree with whereagles in that they may end up in 3N by RHO...altjho I am not as optimistic as he appears.

 

BTW, if I were to bid, I'd bid ♥s, not ♠s. If he is 2=2 in the majors, I want to play in ♥s (actually, I don't want to play at all if he is 2=2) and I surely do not want to play in a 5-2 ♠ fit for the reasons set out above. Heck, if he is 2=2, I may survive in ♥s when the suit breaks 3-2: I ain't surviving a club attack in a 5-2 ♠ fit.

[Fluffy]

I would bid 2♠ then pass the rest of the bidding, I want the righ lead.

[han]

pass.

[jdonn]

pass seems clear.

I saw this and almost had a hernia. Then I realized partner opened 2♦, not rho, so I had to agree :)

[pbleighton]

I saw this and almost had a hernia. Then I realized partner opened 2♦, not rho, so I had to agree

 

Oops, me too :huh:

 

Peter

[Halo]

If this was a poll I would already have chosen 2♥.

 

Bridge is a game. I would rather scramble a heart contract and/or pose some problems for opponents.

[Guest Jlall]

pass, just not enough to do more opposite a weak 2.

[jillybean]

I was kibitzing a world class/expert table, however not WC/Expert forum members :huh:

 

The bidding continued:

 

 

Dealer: North Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ AKQJ9 ♥ 965432 ♦ Q ♣ 6

 

West North East South

 

 -     2♦    Pass  2♠

 Pass  3♦    Pass  3♥

 Pass  3NT   Pass  ?  

[hrothgar]

This was kibitzing a world class/expert table, however not WC/Expert forum members  :huh:

 

The bidding continued:

 

 

Dealer: North Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ AKQJ9 ♥ 965432 ♦ Q ♣ 6  

 

West  North East  South

 

-    2♦    Pass  2♠

Pass  3♦    Pass  3♥

Pass  3NT  Pass  ? 

This depends a lot on the partnerships style for weak two openings. In theory, passing might be correct, however, I would (probably) bid 4♥.

 

Looks like my 2♠ bid is going to come back to haunt me

 

Somewhat curious who the players were...

[foo]

Hmmm. I wonder what our agreements are as to the strength and shape of a 1st chair W @ IMPs 2D opening?

 

I have sympathy with the passers. A =lot= of sympathy.

 

But I'm looking at ♠AKQJ9♥965432♦Q♣6, a 5 loser hand. At IMPs.

 

At least in my partnerships, the only chance for Opener to be 22 in S+H is for them to be =2272 or 6D322.

Also, we don't open 2suiters with 2D. So a =1165 in the 2D bidder's hand is not possible.

 

If we have a fit and GOP can provide 2 cover cards, we rate to make 4M.

 

Also, if we are playing disciplined 2D openings, I highly doubt They are getting into this auction. we simply rate to have too much between GOP and I.

 

If our 2D range is the Schenken 7-12 HCP, GOP almost certainly has 2 cover cards.

Almost as good if it's 6-11 HCP.

At 5-10 HCP, things are considerably more dicey.

 

The missing cards are HA,HK,HQ,HJ;DA,DK,DJ;CA,CK,CQ,CJ

I need any 2/3 of the A's, or the SA+SK, or any 1 A + SK + SQ, or ...

 

*sigh* Live by the sword, die by the sword.

2H by me.

Now the "field" (mikeh, jlall, jdonn, ...) can jump down my throat.

[awm]

I'll buck the trend and bid 2♥ with this hand. I am prepared to pass a 3♦ rebid by partner. Thought process is something like this:

 

If partner has three hearts, we are very likely to have game here. Three small hearts plus the diamond ace put game on a 2-2 break, and partner could have Kxx of hearts or the like too.

If partner has doubleton heart honor, we still may have play.

 

On the other hand, say we give partner three card support for spades. The problem is that while we don't have all that many losers we also don't have many tricks. The club tap will be taken in the strong five-card hand, and it's easy to imagine partner with something like xxx x AJxxxx Kxx (a pretty good hand) and going down in 4♠ (scoring up five spades in hand, one or two heart ruffs, and one or two minor suit tricks). Unless the opponents cards break very nicely our game chances are not all that good opposite this hand.

 

I do think that partner's distribution could be 2-2-6-3 or 2-1-6-4 or 1-2-6-4, so I'm not certain partner has a three-card major here. And additionally I'm not sure we can make 4M when partner does have three (especially when the major is spades). But I don't want to completely give up on the heart fit by passing. Another plus is that if we land in 3♦ (admittedly "too high") there's a very good chance we dodge the heart lead (allowing partner to pitch hearts on the spades).

[redbird97]

I really don't have much of a plan. I pass.

[mike777]

Dealer: North Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ AKQJ9 ♥ 965432 ♦ Q ♣ 6  

 

West  North East  South

 

 -     2♦    Pass  ? 

 

 

How do you plan to bid this?

2H, no problem yet.

 

Will rebid 3s over a 3d rebid. no problem yet. :huh:

 

Partner should play me for a 6-5 hand after my 3s rebid and place the contract.

[redbird97]

No plan for me. I pass

[cherdano]

Adam I think your construction still shows that bidding is against the odds. If partner has 3 hearts, then you need a minor suit ace and a 2-2 break, clearly against the IMPs odds. Even the 2-2 break alone is slightly against the non-vulnerable IMP odds. (Also, you could get doubled on a 3-1 trump break.)

So you only gain when partner has ♥Hxx and a minor suit ace. That's a very unlikely target. (I am sure a simulation would show that partner is quite unlikely to have 3 hearts here.)

[jillybean]

Here's the full hand

 

[hv=d=n&v=e&n=s8hqt8daj9854ck43&w=s432hajdk73cjt875&e=st765hk7dt62caq92&s=sakqj9h965432dqc6]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     2♦    Pass  2♠

 Pass  3♦    Pass  3♥

 Pass  3NT   Pass  4♥

 Pass  Pass  Pass  

[the hog]

I would have passed. Ok, so 4H happens to make here, but

1) Nth is max for the 2D opening, and some would open 1D

2) The D hook works

3) H are 2-2

[han]

The diamond hook is irrelevant, agree with the rest of Ron's comments. I would not be comfortable opening 2D with the north hand when white vs red.

[Guest Jlall]

adam, your partner is going to raise 2H with 2 like almost always (since he's not going to have 2 small very often if he has 2 given how many small ones we have). Hx is a very normal raise.