Meaning Of 2NT-3H-3S-4C

[pbleighton]

Is there a standard meaning for this sequence?

 

How do you prefer to play it?

 

I took it as natural, slam going, 5+ spades, 4+ clubs. Pd meant it as a cue bid. We realized that it might also be Gerber.

 

Peter

[mike777]

Natural, second suit.

 

To ask for aces you bid 4H (texas), partner is forced to bid 4s. Responder now bids 4nt(rkc) or cues.....

[Guest Jlall]

natural, at least some slam interest (doesnt have to be the nuts though).

[cherdano]

Gerber of course.

[redbird97]

Spades and Clubs. This should be slammish.

[han]

If you don't have the agreement that 4C is always gerber then natural, at least 5-4.

[Gerben42]

Arend? Are you serious? *shocked*

 

Natural.

[Echognome]

Arend? Are you serious? *shocked*

 

Natural.

Tsk tsk. Arend is just trying to dispel the rumors that Germans have no sense of humor.

 

What he meant to say was "Roman Keycard Gerber."

[Walddk]

Natural, slam invite (4♦ agrees clubs). By the way, I like Arend's joke.

 

Roland

[Cascade]

I've been experimenting with opener always super-accepting with a fit.

 

The cost of this is that we cannot make a weak takeout to three of a Major. Another disadvantage is that it might be hard for us to find six of a minor when we have a major suit fit.

 

The advantage is that we lose the ambiguity of when a new suit is a cue-bid and when it is a new suit.

 

On the auction given 4♣ is a new suit.

[Dwingo]

Natural, slam invite (4♦ agrees clubs). By the way, I like Arend's joke.

 

Roland

On a similar bidding sequence,

 

2NT-3D-3H-4D, ( 5 hearts & 4 Diamonds, slammish ) how do you agree of a Diamond fit and no Heart fit?

 

Godwin

[Finch]

2NT-3D-3H-4D, ( 5 hearts & 4 Diamonds, slammish ) how do you agree of a Diamond fit and no Heart fit?

 

Godwin

It's messy. Opener bids 4H with 3-card heart support not interested in slam, 4NT with no interest in hearts or diamonds. 4S and 5C are both cue-bids agreeing one of the red suits; responder assumes it is diamonds unless opener then corrects to hearts later in the auction.

 

You can agree that 4S agrees diamonds and 5C agrees hearts ("flags") but it's possibly a bit high for this to be so useful. (I play 2NT - 3D - 3H - 3S - 4C = hearts, 4D = spades but that's a bit lower).

[SoTired]

2NT-3D-3H-4D, ( 5 hearts & 4 Diamonds, slammish ) how do you agree of a Diamond fit and no Heart fit?

 

Godwin

It's messy. Opener bids 4H with 3-card heart support not interested in slam, 4NT with no interest in hearts or diamonds. 4S and 5C are both cue-bids agreeing one of the red suits; responder assumes it is diamonds unless opener then corrects to hearts later in the auction.

 

You can agree that 4S agrees diamonds and 5C agrees hearts ("flags") but it's possibly a bit high for this to be so useful. (I play 2NT - 3D - 3H - 3S - 4C = hearts, 4D = spades but that's a bit lower).

I think 4H agrees hearts and any other bid agrees diam. you don't have the room to show a heart hand that does not like slam. 2N only has a 2-point range anyway.

[Guest Jlall]

There is another good hand type that these flag bid schemes leave out, a slam suitable hand without a fit such as AKx KJ AQx Axxxx.

[kenberg]

My thinking would be:

2N-4H-4S-4N rkc

2N-4H-4S-5C cue

2N-3H-3S-4N exactly five spades, no second suit, and probably enough for slam, but partner can pass with a 20 count and two small spades.

That leaves: 2N-3H-3S-4C as spades and clubs. A cue bid now agrees clubs and 4S agrees spades, after which partner will presumably cue or bid rkc. If he isn't willing to bid again after finding the spade fit he had no business bidding this way to start with.

 

This seems logical enough to me so that I would assume it if I encountered these auctions w/o discussion, but it might not jibe with partner's views, as you found out.