Just curious

[jdonn]

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P P 1♣ P

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All comments welcome

[P_Marlowe]

1S, regard less if you play it as forcing or not,

it would be forcing for me.

Is this not a hand, when you would like to

know if partner has a real response?

 

2S is out, it should show 5-4.

2NT will get you to high, and you make it

hard to find out your 4-4 fit in spades,

I just remember a discussion, what 3S over

2Nt showed, ... it was not 100% clear.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[cherdano]

Obvious 2N. I can never show this hand-type after 1S. If I play a decent system partner can find out about 4 spades over 2N, and even if he can't, it is unlikely to hurt. 1S only gains when partner passes 1S.

[Guest Jlall]

uhh.....josh? lol.

 

edit: wow lots of 1S bids already... I guess I will add in I think this is an obvious 2N bid showing 18-19 balanced. I even have all the suits double stopped. I want them to lead spades. We can find a 4-4 spade fit unless partner has a complete yarb (like a 5 count). I don't really see any gain from not bidding 2N.

[awm]

I personally like a 1♠ rebid here. I am in no great rush to play 2NT if partner responded on some very minimum hand, and want to give partner the opportunity to pass 1♠. I've also noticed that the 18-7 or so 3NT contracts when partner's longest suit is opposite my small doubleton tend not to play all that well, and I'd just as soon stay out of a borderline one here. No matter how good your follow-ups are after a 2NT rebid, the fact is that the rebid devours a great deal of space and it will be difficult to find a nice-fitting (but low hcp) slam, or to get out of the auction at the one or two level. My hand is also such that I would really like to protect partner's heart holding, and 2NT/3NT could easily play better from her side (which I reach after a 1♠ rebid and 1NT by partner raised to 2NT).

 

Of course, if partner will often pass 1♠ with 8-9 hcp or if my 1♠ rebid would guarantee five or more clubs, I suppose I have to bid 2NT. My preferred agreement is that 1♠ could be balanced and partner can only pass with a bad 7-count or less.

[paulg]

Balanced hands open or rebid notrumps is my guiding principle. This will not always work out well, but it does make decisions easier and also provides more definition when I do rebid 1♠.

 

Paul

[pclayton]

I seem to recall a comment from a certain poster along the lines of "we have a bid to show a balanced 18-19, right?".

 

2N is blatantly obvious.

[pbleighton]

2NT, wtp?

 

Peter

[Guest Jlall]

(which I reach after a 1♠ rebid and 1NT by partner raised to 2NT).

Too bad this does not show 18-19 balanced anymore and would be a normal bid with 16.

[foo]

This is a 5 loser hand with 7 controls, more typical of an 19 count than an 18 count.

GOPs 1H response has very likely removed 2 losers from my hand.

(If CHO regularly bids on trash so that you can't assume 2 cover cards, then you have worse problems than those of this poll!)

 

In front of GOP, I have no problem with a 2N rebid.

We have NMF and other tools, and we are very likely to use them.

 

Behind GOP, I'm far more worried about the auction stopping too soon.

Nonetheless, I'd still probably rebid 2N under most circumstances.

OTOH, with HHhx in S's and a hand that evaluates to a 19 count or very close to it, this is not "most circumstances" IMHO.

 

If 1S is Forcing, that's my vote. If 1S is not Forcing, then I want to make a Forcing bid and neither 1S or 2N are it so...

 

EDIT: I'm blind =6= controls, which is typical of a flat 18 count.

That makes my reasoning about N's hand being close to a 19 count in terms of playing strength specious.

 

My vote becomes 1S if it's Forcing, and 2N otherwise.

[mike777]

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:) I guess opening 1nt to avoid this was not an option. If not then I assume 2nt is our agreement here.

 

I read in some bridge magazine a few months back that rebidding one spade was catching on with some players with this hand type. I forgot why?

[mike777]

Granovetter magazine Bridge Today Jan. 2007

 

Good article on this issue.

 

The hand type he is worried about was:

 

Kxxx....xxxxx..xx...Qx

 

Assume opener may or may not have 4 card spade suit and 18-19 hcp.

[Halo]

2NT

 

With my methods (naturalish) this seems automatic.

[han]

2NT of course.

[the hog]

I play 1S as forcing, but even playing that I would bid 2NT on this hand. Treat a balanced hand as a balanced hand.

[mikeh]

2NT. Seriously, until I read the 1♠ votes, it wouldn't have occurred to me that any bridge player would not bid 2N.

 

Of course, I assume that we can get back to ♠ when appropriate... anyone unable to do so? Surely not.....

 

And if he passes 2N when we can make some number of ♠s? Too bad... my methods aren't perfect and neither are yours...get over it :) :P :P

[jdonn]

I'm sure most of you realized by now I posted this to try and prove to someone that bidding 2♠ is a joke. Point seems to be proven though stubbornness tends to prevail...

[Fluffy]

The hand type he is worried about was:

 

Kxxx....xxxxx..xx...Qx

 

Assume opener may or may not have 4 card spade suit and 18-19 hcp.

Who cares about that?, 2NT is forcing anyway, we will find the spade fit later :P

[mike777]

The hand type he is worried about was:

 

Kxxx....xxxxx..xx...Qx

 

Assume opener may or may not have 4 card spade suit and 18-19 hcp.

Who cares about that?, 2NT is forcing anyway, we will find the spade fit later :P

ok so you play 3nt when partner has only 3 spades, I guess. good luck.

[BebopKid]

You most likely have enough for game.

 

Priority ONE is to find a major suit fit.

 

Bid 1♠, which would be forcing for me.

[helene_t]

I'm sure there are a lot of good reasons for not playing 2NT as 18-19 bal. But that's the system you agreed to play and then you have to stick to it. If you suddenly realize that the system sucks and it would be better to play 2NT as some artificial bid so that the 18-19 bal would have to fake some other bid (or open 1NT or 2♦ or whatever) then please save that discussion for the system discussion session. Don't invent new systems at the table.

[whereagles]

I used to bid 1♠ with these hands, but now I bypass that all the time ^^

[skjaeran]

Non-brainer 2NT. The 2NT rebid show 18-19 balanced. That's what I've got.

 

2♠ is a jump reverse. GF with an unbalanced hand. This hand doesn't fit that description.

 

I play 1♠ as forcing here (in principle, there are hands where partner will pass and be right). I might have a 4225/4xy6 hand not strong enough to GF or a 3-suiter. (Or a minimum hand with 4♠ of course.)

[jtfanclub]

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1♥ P ?[/hv]

 

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So, I was directing a face-to-face game a couple of weeks ago.

 

I was called to the table when the bidding had gone...

 

1♣-P-P.

 

Five seconds after the last pass was played, the LOL playing there said "Oh! I didn't see my partner's bid. May I change my call"? The opponents said no, and since it wasn't a case of pulling the wrong card or an immediate change, she wasn't allowed to change it.

 

So, the last guy passes, and his partner led. Dummy puts down....

 

Txxx

Q7xx

8xxx

x

 

and she honestly did not understand why the rest of us cracked up.

 

I'm not saying that I hate the 2NT call, or that I wouldn't use it if there wasn't some other legal bid available, but when I have two choices to describe my hand:

 

1) One bid uses up next to no space, allows partner to get out low when he was just kidding, but doesn't descibe much about my hand.

 

2) The other bid uses up a lot of space, describes my hand very accurately, but puts us way too high when partner bid on crap.

 

I would bid 1♠, but that's because I mostly play SA with LOLs who respond to 1♣ with hands not much better than the one I mentioned. If I was playing a pickup game with a professional bridge player, can I safely assume partner's got a 6 count for his 1♥ bid?

[mikeh]

The hand type he is worried about was:

 

Kxxx....xxxxx..xx...Qx

 

Assume opener may or may not have 4 card spade suit and 18-19 hcp.

Who cares about that?, 2NT is forcing anyway, we will find the spade fit later :)

2N is not even remotely forcing in standard methods. It shows a balanced 18-19, and will often be based on a great 17. Since most good players respond to 1♣ on decent 5 counts (or less), playing 2N as a force is silly.