jim420 Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 You play 2/1, as South [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sj65hkqdkqt8732cq]133|100|Scoring: IMPW N E Sp 1♥ p 2♦p 2♠ p ?[/hv] 1) Do you agree with 2♦?2) What do you bid now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 1) Yes.2) 3♦. I really don't think there are any other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 1) Yes.2) 3♦. I really don't think there are any other options. Agree. Although I do see the problem if partner bids 3NT next. Do we leave it in 3NT or correct to 4♥? The problem with leaving it in 3NT is if the club stopper is tenuous and partner doesnt' have the ♦A or has the ♦A, but not the ♥A and clubs get knocked out on the opening lead. Against that, our stiff ♣Q may score a trick on the lead. If we correct to 4♥ we may have to ruff with one of our ♥ honors, which is fine if partner has AJT9x, but not so great opposite Axxxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 2S promised add. values? #1 no, but it is close, and if you asked me tommorow I may answer yes#2 3D With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 1) Yes.2) 3♦. I really don't think there are any other options. agree. Although the ♣Q is not worth much, the hand has 13 hcp and a 7-card suit and certainly worth a GF to me. If worse-comes-to-worse, you might have to bail out at 4D. After 2S, raising hearts or spades would show primary support, so you have to bid your 7-card suit again. If over 3D, opener bids 3N, I might correct to 4H. 3N will have troubles with the club suit since it is unlikely partner has a double-club stopper or has the ♦A, a club stopper and a major ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Agree with 2♦. I have to show my 7th diamond and we need to give pard a chance to support diamonds or shy away from 3N. Frankly, with my short clubs, I don't think pard has much length in diamonds, but 3♦ is kind of obvious. My diamonds aren't worth much in a heart contract, and we may need my heart honors to ruff clubs (not necessaily bad, but usually not good). 3♦ might get us a 3♠ rebid or a 3♥ rebid; neither of which are unpalatable. Only 3N gives me a little cause to worry, but my stiff Q♣ may be a surprise stopper across from a hand like: AQxx, AJxxx, x, Axx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Agree with 2♦. I have to show my 7th diamond and we need to give pard a chance to support diamonds or shy away from 3N. Frankly, with my short clubs, I don't think pard has much length in diamonds, but 3♦ is kind of obvious. My diamonds aren't worth much in a heart contract, and we may need my heart honors to ruff clubs (not necessaily bad, but usually not good). 3♦ might get us a 3♠ rebid or a 3♥ rebid; neither of which are unpalatable. Only 3N gives me a little cause to worry, but my stiff Q♣ may be a surprise stopper across from a hand like: AQxx, AJxxx, x, Axx Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 I have available a bid, 1H-3D, that shows six to 8 good diamonds and roughly 11 hcp with 0-2 hearts. I would never considering using this bid on this hand, no not because of the club queen and spade jack, but because KQ doubleton of hearts is a very bid feature, clearly worth more that then apparent 5 chp they show. So I will bid 2♦ and follow that up with a forcing 3♦, just like everyone else. How esle is your partner to evaluate his hand. When you next raise hearts, the cat will be out of the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 I have available a bid, 1H-3D, that shows six to 8 good diamonds and roughly 11 hcp with 0-2 hearts. I would never considering using this bid on this hand, no not because of the club queen and spade jack, but because KQ doubleton of hearts is a very bid feature, clearly worth more that then apparent 5 chp they show. So I will bid 2♦ and follow that up with a forcing 3♦, just like everyone else. How esle is your partner to evaluate his hand. When you next raise hearts, the cat will be out of the bag. The question is, are you moving if partner bids 3NT? I agree that if you do, you next bid 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim420 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Well I bid 3♦ next as wellBut the big problem didn't really come until p passed 3♦ (!?)This was his hand [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sakt7ht8532dac432]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Do you agree with this action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 This was probably a pick-up partnership. Your partner must have assumed that a rebid of the 2/1 suit was NF (a treatment I happen to abhor). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Responder made 2 auto bids and opener passed a forcing bid. Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Bridge World Standard plays that a 2/1 is game forcing unless responder rebids his suit. It sounds as if your partner assumed that is the variety of 2/1 you were playing, while you went with the "2/1 is game forcing" approach. Neither of you was wrong (although I also prefer the game-forcing-means-game-forcing method). If your partner knew it was intended as forcing and passed anyway, then that is clearly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 Bridge World Standard plays that a 2/1 is game forcing unless responder rebids his suit. It sounds as if your partner assumed that is the variety of 2/1 you were playing, while you went with the "2/1 is game forcing" approach. Neither of you was wrong (although I also prefer the game-forcing-means-game-forcing method). If your partner knew it was intended as forcing and passed anyway, then that is clearly wrong. If partner feels the need to pass GF bids, then he shouldn't open. I really dislike the rebid your suit method in GF 2/1 as not being GF and I bid those hands via the catch all forcing NT. However, it is a very good idea to discuss treatments with a 2/1 PD. 1) Are you playing Walsh ? 2) Is this rebid of the 2/1 suit not GF ? 3) With hands with a 5 card major that aren't really suitable for a 2NT rebid do you bid 2NT as a catch all or do you rebid the 5 cM or does a rebid of the M promise 6 cards ? 4) What rebids after the 2/1 GF response, if any, promise extra strength ? .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 I'd add 5) is 1♦-2♣ GF?6) what's 1x-2y-3z where z could have been bid on the 2 level (ie 1♠-2♣-3♦)? nat. 55+ good hand or splinter for y (pd's suit)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 3♦ is forcing in any system. Even in Acol or BWS. Maybe not in Culbertson. Some play 2♠ as not showing extras and some play 3♦ as denying GF values opposite a minimum opener, but nobody plays the combination of the two, as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 3♦ is forcing in any system. Even in Acol or BWS. Maybe not in Culbertson. Some play 2♠ as not showing extras and some play 3♦ as denying GF values opposite a minimum opener, but nobody plays the combination of the two, as far as I know. Actually if you play 2♦ as GF except rebid it's quite reasonable to play 2♠ as not promising extra values because this means you can bid 2♦ on 4♠-6♦ invitational hands and not miss any spade fit. Obviously when a GF hand comes up you'd prefer to be playing the pure GF 2/1 style, but after opener has shown two suits it's actually not that difficult to find a way to bid a single-suiter (much harder after 1♥:2♦,2♥). And unlike other posters I think this player has good taste if he wants to play the rebid as non-forcing. But certainly if you've agreed to play "2/1" passing 3♦ is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 I agree with 2D followed by 3D. (Partner reversed and thus showed extra values in my book.) Regardless, I think 3D is clear here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BebopKid Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 I like the 2♦ response. I think I would have bid 3♦ next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbird97 Posted May 23, 2007 Report Share Posted May 23, 2007 1) Yes. I cannot imagine what else you would bid with the hand.2) Since partner reversed, you have time to show him/her 6 nice diamonds, so 3d seems like the only bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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