jocdelevat Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sakq97hdk986cakt8]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] West North East South Pass 3♦ Pass ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 No, I just bid 6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Yes One more reason to not open 3 bids with an outside ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 3S, forcing. If pard raises, I'll table five clubs next. I have enough tickets for at least six at this point. If pard retreats to 4D, then I bid what I think I can make and that's six diamonds; pard's probably going to have a heart honor over a club honor in this construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Isn't this the hand Exclusion was designed to handle? 5H by me, exclusion. If partner has the diamond Ace I'm bidding grand slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Isn't this the hand Exclusion was designed to handle? 5H by me, exclusion. If partner has the diamond Ace I'm bidding grand slam. Yes I am shocked that all beginners do not play exclusion, this is a problem?Keep in mind if you have a problem best solution is always to add a convention to solve it. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Isn't this the hand Exclusion was designed to handle? 5H by me, exclusion. If partner has the diamond Ace I'm bidding grand slam. Yes I am shocked that all beginners do not play exclusion, this is a problem?Keep in mind if you have a problem best solution is always to add a convention to solve it. :Doooppppssss. ;) I didn't realize this was B/I board. Like I said, best I can think of is to bid 5N, grand slam force, as pure Ace-asking won't tell us what we need to know. We can cue bid until we are red in the face but I don't think we will ever get partner to bid grand with Jx, xxx, Axxxxxx, x. :) Might as well try to get there if he has xx, xxx, AQxxxxx, x and settle for 6 otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 If playing exclusion, I bid 5♥, if not I bid 5NT GSF as mentioned by Winstonm. .. neilkaz ..not willing to settle for 6 without a try for 7 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Agree with trying for 7. To my mind exclusion is easier than GSF but I guess I'm new fashioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jocdelevat Posted May 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=n&w=sthk972dajt7432c5&e=sakq97hdk986cakt8]266|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - - Pass 3♦ Pass 6♦ Pass Pass Pass I bid 6d just curios how others get to this grand slam. Thank you all for your answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 5♥ is exclusion for anyone higher than a 6th grade bridge education. If I have to make one bid, its 7♦, not 5N. I've already bid a grand off the ace of trump once this year, so it won't happen again :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 5♥ is exclusion for anyone higher than a 6th grade bridge education. If I have to make one bid, its 7♦, not 5N. I've already bid a grand off the ace of trump once this year, so it won't happen again :) I repeat exclusion is used 1000% more on forum than I see in bridge magazines over 4 decades. :) ok I barely made it through 5th grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sakq97hdk986cakt8]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] West North East South Pass 3♦ Pass ? Hi, sure, unless I have a way to bid EKCB,I just bid 4NT and if partner shows up with1 bid 7. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 I knew the answer would be "no" as soon as I saw the question. Asking for aces is the least useful slam try. Especially when you have a void. However, it may be useful here since if partner has one ace it should be ♦. Then I can bid 7. 3♠ is reasonable since it's matchpoints. On a very bad day partner raises spades on Tx and I play 7♠ with Jxxx behind me. But I think it's a risk worth taking. I'm more concerned about RHO making a Lightner double, asking for a diamond lead because he's void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dodgy Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Isn't this the hand Exclusion was designed to handle? 5H by me, exclusion. If partner has the diamond Ace I'm bidding grand slam. Yes I am shocked that all beginners do not play exclusion, this is a problem?Keep in mind if you have a problem best solution is always to add a convention to solve it. :)oooppppssss. :) I didn't realize this was B/I board. Like I said, best I can think of is to bid 5N, grand slam force, as pure Ace-asking won't tell us what we need to know. I don't think EKCB is too much for intermediates, it's useful and simple. 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Isn't this the hand Exclusion was designed to handle? 5H by me, exclusion. If partner has the diamond Ace I'm bidding grand slam. Yes I am shocked that all beginners do not play exclusion, this is a problem?Keep in mind if you have a problem best solution is always to add a convention to solve it. :)oooppppssss. :) I didn't realize this was B/I board. Like I said, best I can think of is to bid 5N, grand slam force, as pure Ace-asking won't tell us what we need to know. I don't think EKCB is too much for intermediates, it's useful and simple. 5♥. I think Ekcb is that last thing..ok ..after the last thing I need to learn..... If this is a high...even a low priority for your partnerships..you are winning everything. My expert partners tell me this is the least of the least of my many problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 This is harder than it seems unless you have a gadget (and pard is on the same wavelength!!!). Without any, I'd try a risky 4NT or just bid 6♦ depending on whether I needed action or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Im with Mike7777 here; for those who are suggesting exclusion shake your head! ;) Try that with a casual bbo partner and you are quite likely to be playing 5♥. Are people really recommending that it should be added to the "useful for beginner/intermediate convention list" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Do people really recommending that it should be added to the "useful for beginner/intermediate convention list" ?no no no ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 To get to the grand either trust your partner to not have Queen-High and just bid it, or play it safe and bid 6. Without gadgets I would ask for Aces. If partner has 0, you know that he does NOT have the ♦A. If he has 1 I play the odds and bid 7. Not 100% sure but 80% is better than nothing! Sometimes bridge is about the best POSSIBLE result, not the best result possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 should I ask for aces? played an indy with p without profile....my hand in second seat:[hv=s=s2hakq98732dakqc6]133|100|[/hv] Opps opened 2S in first seat, I decided to bid 5H like("bid 6 if you have an ace")I did not know which sort of blackwood my p usually bids, so I did not take 4NT.Was this 5H a reasonable bid or not? Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 What are the odds that if partner has an ace it is the correct one? I would think it is more likely to be the ♥A since you are void and have 4 ♦s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Im with Mike7777 here; for those who are suggesting exclusion shake your head! ;) Try that with a casual bbo partner and you are quite likely to be playing 5♥. Are people really recommending that it should be added to the "useful for beginner/intermediate convention list" ? I recommend you don't try this with casual partners unless they are advanced players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goobers Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 Why blast 7? Is GSF non standard? If we can ask partner about the top 2 trumps, why don't we? If partner has the HA and not the DA, you won't get it right after keycard either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 should I ask for aces? played an indy with p without profile....my hand in second seat: Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ 2 ♥ AKQ98732 ♦ AKQ ♣ 6 Opps opened 2S in first seat, I decided to bid 5H like("bid 6 if you have an ace")I did not know which sort of blackwood my p usually bids, so I did not take 4NT.Was this 5H a reasonable bid or not? Robert No. I prefer a takeout X followed by 5H.The main trouble with a direct 5H bidis, that someone may construct is aspreemptive. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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