jugarul Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 1♠ 1NT2♣ 2♥ almost all say is not forcing..but..look what it happened: I had this hand..♥Qx♦KQxxx♣A10xxxx It is easy to say 2♦ instead 1NT planning to say !C ..But I thought probably opps had ♥ and they will bid it..so I will be high when I'll want to say ♣.That is why I thought this way...I'll bid 1NT...and if my p is 12-14 he will usualy PAS it or he will say 2♠ and that is it...if he is stronger...he will say his better minor..and we will think about 5♣/♦.After 2♥ I want to know more about his hand...he may PAS..taking it as NONFORCING...but..as long as he said 2!C..do not cost him too much to say anything now...just describing his hand clearly.. It seems almost all play 2 ♥ STOP here...so...my mistake..But..is interesting to have his agreement...2♥ nonforcing here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jugarul Posted May 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 I meaned..2♥ agreement...FORCING !? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 So you want to have a way of showing a good raise of a minor suit that partner bids after 1NT? I have this method with david_c, but I use 1S P 2D as a transfer to hearts, in order to show a weak hand with a long heart suit. It's more important to have a way to show a weak hand with long hearts than a good raise of a minor suit rebid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 1♠ 1NT2♣ 2♥ almost all say is not forcing..but..look what it happened: I had this hand..♥Qx♦KQxxx♣A10xxxx It is easy to say 2♦ instead 1NT planning to say !C ..But I thought probably opps had ♥ and they will bid it..so I will be high when I'll want to say ♣.That is why I thought this way...I'll bid 1NT...and if my p is 12-14 he will usualy PAS it or he will say 2♠ and that is it...if he is stronger...he will say his better minor..and we will think about 5♣/♦.After 2♥ I want to know more about his hand...he may PAS..taking it as NONFORCING...but..as long as he said 2!C..do not cost him too much to say anything now...just describing his hand clearly.. It seems almost all play 2 ♥ STOP here...so...my mistake..But..is interesting to have his agreement...2♥ nonforcing here... This is responder's hand and partner has opened 1spade? Why are you not bidding 2clubs over 1 one spade in SAYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 What would you bid after 1♠-1NT-2♣ with: xKQJxxxJxxxxx Hearts is likely to play better than the 5-1 spade fit or 4-2 club fit. You might even have a game, say partner holds: AxxxxAxxxAKxx Obviously this is a very nice hand, but it's far from enough to rebid 3♣ at first turn. Playing SAYC (or any method where 2/1 bids don't guarantee game values) you certainly have enough for 2♣. There are also many ways to raise clubs: 3♣ and 4♣ are certainly available, and playing SAYC you don't need 3♦ or 3♥ as a natural bid (you would have made a 2/1 with a good hand holding a red suit) so it makes some sense to use those as raises also (although I don't think it's totally standard). Even 2NT could be a raise, since an invitational balanced hand would start with 2-minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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