spwdo Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 hi, i enconterd several spychic bids while hosting my tourneys, i think i got how to handle them after discussd this with ecepal, but can someone fill me in completely as i didnt find any topisc on this in the convention sites i have. specific, one player said after pass , pass, 2!C , i always bid 2!D (that players didnt had any !D 5 hcp), his partner thought it was real bid but didnt had enough points to support, i believe this is called spychic but after discussion the reason for his bid, the next round or so(when it could happen again), because of this discussion i believe that it has enterd the cc and therefore not allowed, thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 how about if they play 2C opening as strongest bid OR weak with D in 3rd hand? Then it's allowed right? But then they should also alert... EDIT: woops, misread again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnKryten Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 It sounds like the auction is actually this: Pass - Pass - 2C (1) - 2D (2) 1) Strong, artificial2) Not alerted. Explained afterwards (to the director) as "I always make this call, regardless of which 13 cards I hold" Regarding the incident in question, no offense has occurred. His partner was no more aware of the possibility of a psych than the opponents. However, unless this player is going to have a new partner for every session, this psych quickly becomes illegal. It will rapidly become obvious to his partners that this two diamond bid "always" happens, and then the opponents need to be informed. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 It sounds like the auction is actually this: Pass - Pass - 2C (1) - 2D (2) 1) Strong, artificial2) Not alerted. Explained afterwards (to the director) as "I always make this call, regardless of which 13 cards I hold" Regarding the incident in question, no offense has occurred. His partner was no more aware of the possibility of a psych than the opponents. However, unless this player is going to have a new partner for every session, this psych quickly becomes illegal. It will rapidly become obvious to his partners that this two diamond bid "always" happens, and then the opponents need to be informed. John I agree with this, but when you do this against better players you will get in some trouble very quickly. In that auction I play that X by me is a very weak hand and pass by me after 2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif shows a positive hand. And the only thing by bidding 2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif is that you are giving me more space to let my pd know what is going on, and on top of that, we might occasionally totally destroy you for interfering on nothing ;) Maybe this might work a few times against some little old ladies <_< hope they werehave fun doing it. Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 I know that you can use every possible defense against 1NT and strong 1C, but I don't know if it's allowed on a strong 2C opening. If it would be, you can even make a system out of it, otherwise your bid should show some 4+ card suit. Anyway, I think it's ridiculous to always bid 2D after 2C opening, because you give opponents an extra bid (actually 2 bids: dbl by responder, and dbl by opener after a pass by responder). Give it at least some meaning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 I know that you can use every possible defense against 1NT and strong 1C, but I don't know if it's allowed on a strong 2C opening. If it would be, you can even make a system out of it, otherwise your bid should show some 4+ card suit. Anyway, I think it's ridiculous to always bid 2D after 2C opening, because you give opponents an extra bid (actually 2 bids: dbl by responder, and dbl by opener after a pass by responder). Give it at least some meaning... You can use same any defense you want against 2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif. I use Exclusion Transfers, basically whatever you bid is a transfer to next higher suit, either you have that suit or you have a TO for that suit. And if you transfer to NT, you have any 2 suited hand. And you can bid this at any level. ;) Really makes a mess of opps, gotta love it.So, 2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif - 3http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif = a Transfer to http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif, which you either have or you have the 3 other suits. And bidding 2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif gives them actually 3 bids <_< Pass by responder has a meaning too. Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Normally playing "almost always 2D" after 2C, I don't mind opponents bidding 2D regardless what they have so I can tell my partner if I have almost nothing or a little something. Against artificial openings (like 2C strong) you can play whatever you want. For me that means the usual gadget: Either you have the suit you bid or the next two.(2C) 3D shows diamonds or the majors. This also makes a mess of the opponent's methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 I don't think this kind of bid (2c)-2D where 2D shows 13 cards is legal in the ACBL. I use to play somthing akin to this over 1C precision opening bids, where we would bid 1S on virtually any hand (with or without spades) just to get the opponents out of their comfort zone. I was told that these automatic defenses promisesig nothing were not legal. I never persued rather they were or not, simply because it was my partners idea to play it that way, and I was glad to get out fo using it anyway. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 And bidding 2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif gives them actually 3 bids <_< Pass by responder has a meaning too. Mike :D Euhm no, it stays only 2 bids, because the 2D bid is gone ;) So the extra bids of responder are 2-1 = 1 :D :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Well, while 2D is gone, you give them PASS... which actually replaces the 2D bid, double which can have whatever meaning they want to apply. So that is 2 bids, plus the one that is gone, then you give them a reopening double which wasn't an option, and you give the original passes, the option to pass again, or to cue-bid 3D (since 2D pass was an option) which gives extra meaning to the 3D bid. So.. old bid... 2D = 1 option New bids.. 2D-Pass 2D-Dbl2D-Pass-Pass-Dbl-Pass-Pass 2D-Pass-Pass-DBL-Pass-3D (really is a new bid, sicne with D, pass). So it looks more like 4-1 = 3 new bids to me... or if you want to argue about 3D now not being new (which it has to be imho), then it is 3-1 or two new bids. Not t his matters a lot, 2D as just showing 13 cards steals no bidding room, does not help your side find anything useful in the way of lead or potential sacrafice. Let's say they simply use step responses to 2C.. with 2D showing 0 to 6 hcp, and 2H showing 6+ but with one control, and 2S showing 6+ with two. OVer 2D, they might play Pass shows 0 to 6, DBL show 6+ with one, and now 2H 6+ with 2 controls, so in this case, your saved one step is right. But sometimes even one step is a lot. Now, maybe 2H by opener becomes natural rather than a relay with dbl being the relay, they may save an entire level of bidding (opener not having to jump to 3H or bid 2H/3H to show hearts). Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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