jugarul Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 sayc no other agreements1♠ 1NT2♣ 2♥ ...forcing or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Yes, a new suit by responder is always forcing in SAYC. However, responder's auction makes no sense, as he made a weak response (1NT), followed by an invitational plus response (2H). In 2/1, 2H would be weak with hearts, and would usually be passed. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 No, 2♥ is not forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 No, this is not forcing - it shows a hand too weak to bid 2♥ immediately over 1♠. Expect about 5-8 high-card points with 6+ hearts. Opener should pass unless he has something constructive to say: don't make the mistake of bidding again with a minimum hand just because you're short in hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 From the SAYC booklet: Second-round forcing bids. A new suit response (other than after a 1NTrebid by opener) is a one-round force. If it is a fourth suit in theauction, it may be artificial.. It's forcing. It shouldn't be, but it is. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 I don't care what some poorly-written booklet says, this is definitely non-forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 I don't care what some poorly-written booklet says, this is definitely non-forcing. LOL, you mock the Online Bridge Bible? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 From the SAYC booklet: Second-round forcing bids. A new suit response (other than after a 1NTrebid by opener) is a one-round force. If it is a fourth suit in theauction, it may be artificial.. It's forcing. It shouldn't be, but it is. Peter Peter - this is not a "new" suit by responder - this is his "intitial suit". The 1N limited his hand hence his "intitial" suit bid cannot be forcing. Poorly written booklet, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Poorly written booklet, for sure. Yup. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 2♥ is obviously not forcing since responder has already limited his hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Obviously non-forcing. Basic bridge logic overrides the booklet, it always does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 sayc no other agreements1♠ 1NT2♣ 2♥ ...forcing or not? Playing SAYC, once one partner has limited his hand in terms of hcp and distribution (see the 1NT response), he can never "force" the other partner unless invited to do so. 2H here by a 1NT responder is not forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 This is a sign-off, showing a weak one-suiter, too weak for an initial 2♥ response. This is basic bidding theory. It means the same no matter what system you play (sayc, 2/1, SEF, Acol, WJ, Precision, whatever) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Non forcing. The quote says, "Other than after 1NT" a new suit is forcing. The 2C bid is NF as it is not a jump shift and the 2H bid, although a new suit is also NF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 The quote says, "Other than after 1NT" a new suit is forcing. Sorry, but the "1NT" is a rebid by opener. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Hi, nonforcing. See the booklet page 3, there it says, that 1NT shows 6-10and is nonforcing.Having made a nonforcing bid, hearing a min. opener, 2Ccan be passed, 2H can never be forcing.The authors of the booklet certainly believe, that this is obvious. http://www.d21acbl.com/References/Conventi...tem%20Notes.pdf With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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