djehuti Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 AJ AQ10xxxxxx ---- Kx Teams, love all, (1:s) - pass - (pass) - à vous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 4♥. I might even make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Double, then 4♥. It's very unlikely that partner will pass the double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Double, then 4♥. It's very unlikely that partner will pass the double. yes but it is pretty likely one of the opponents will bid diamonds and they will be like "oh sweet we have a big diamond fit" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 4♥ looks normal, even tho we can all see that we may be missing a laydown small or grand slam... partner with xxxx K xxxx AQxx isn't bidding over 4♥. But we need him to have magic cards (♦ values will be worthless more often than not) and the odds are against us. I agree that we don't want to let LHO show a second suit, via double by us, bid by LHO. In the old (really old) days, 2♠ would have been the expert choice.... a strong cuebid, not a 2-suiter. Hands suitable for the device are rare, and so the bid lost popularity, but this would be a good start, since it gets the nature of the hand across eventually, and preempts the 2 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 2 days ago I played at the bridge club with a family member who isn't as bad as this hand will make them seem, and I held JT9xx Jxx xxx xx. 1♦ on my left, partner doubled, p, I bid 1♠, p, and partner bid 6♥. This got doubled on my left. It turned out to be a lousy double and we made easily (partner had x AKQxxxx A AKQx), but what do you think my thoughts were as dummy waiting for the lead? Gee great they are ruffing this spade, now we told them what to lead and we are going down all because my bleeping partner who I love dearly felt the need to randomly double first. Moral: Don't double first when you don't need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djehuti Posted May 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 I'm having a discussion in a local forum about this hand. It's double vs 4 ♥ . Im bidding 4♥ for most of the reasons already mentioned. Partner had xxx Kx AKxxx Qxx and passed 4 ♥ . Doesn't 4 ♥ show something simillar to a strong 2 in ♥? Shouldn't partner make a move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 In passout seat, where the opponents were merrily resting n 1♠ if you pass, a 4♥ bid IS NOT preemptive, but instead suggest you will have a good play for this contract oppposite pretty much anything. Your partner has the heart king and two quick tricks in diamonds. He should make a move, I suggest 5♥ asking for control of spades -- if they can cash two quick clubs I guess you are down, but why tell them what to lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 huh.. maybe pard could have overcalled 2♦?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BebopKid Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Double then 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Maybe you are too strong for 4 Heart.After (1 ♠) pass (pass) you surely await more then just 3 HCPs from pd.So I guess 4 HEart shows something like xx, AQTxxxxxx,-,Kx? Maybe that is what pd expected and that is why he was passing happily? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 So I guess 4 HEart shows something like xx, AQTxxxxxx,-,Kx?I don't think natural bids show 9 card suits :blink:, and will hardly suggest them. Don't think north ahs to make any move at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Well... at least there are no passers on this one :) NOT DBL. 4H is the bid for several reasons all addressed previously. 1) 4H shows a strong hand willing to play 4H. A 2C opener with a strong heart suit. This is not a preemptive jump. 2) You have no reason to hear anything partner has to say, so you don't want to dbl. Your jump to 4H conveys your strength. 3) You don't want to give opps any more chances to exchange info 4) Partner with xxx Kxx AKxxx Qxx should not have passed. Partner should have bid 5D. Just as if partner opened 2C and rebid 4H. Yes it is possible that 4H bidder can't make 5H, but it is more likely that 6H makes than 5H goes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 In passout seat, where the opponents were merrily resting n 1♠ if you pass, a 4♥ bid IS NOT preemptive, but instead suggest you will have a good play for this contract oppposite pretty much anything. Your partner has the heart king and two quick tricks in diamonds. He should make a move, I suggest 5♥ asking for control of spades -- if they can cash two quick clubs I guess you are down, but why tell them what to lead. Yes..I agree that PD should make a move here and 5♥ seems the best way to me. PD's pass is weak, considering that quite a few overcall 2♦ with that hand. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 huh.. maybe pard could have overcalled 2♦?? Do you really want to overcall 2♦ on xxx Kx AKxxx Qxx ?That surely isn't anything like what a 2♦ overcall looks like to me. In a bidding contest I'd rate it 2 out of 10. 1 for showing up :) and 1 for what might tip partner off to the best lead. Else this overcall hasn't much going for it - a terrible offense/defense ratio, not much overall strenght and a terrible suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 huh.. maybe pard could have overcalled 2♦?? Do you really want to overcall 2♦ on xxx Kx AKxxx Qxx ?That surely isn't anything like what a 2♦ overcall looks like to me. In a bidding contest I'd rate it 2 out of 10. 1 for showing up ;) and 1 for what might tip partner off to the best lead. Else this overcall hasn't much going for it - a terrible offense/defense ratio, not much overall strenght and a terrible suit. I believe it's correct to overcall 2♦ on this hand. The spade tripleton isn't bad, it deprives LHO of 1NT and 2♣, which are common bids over a 1♠ opener, and shows what you have in ONE bid. It's Robson/Segal's "In quick, out quick" principle at work. Now, you might say 2♦ is reckless. Me, I judge pass as chickening out :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 It is possible that we can make a slam even if partner could not act in direct seat over 1♠. It is also possible that partner could have a good hand and we have little or no play for slam. In any event, I bid 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Partner had xxx Kx AKxxx Qxx and passed 4 ♥. wdp seriously, did he think his ♦A was a small one or something? or did he seriously think that 4♥ is a preemptive bid in this position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I believe it's correct to overcall 2♦ on this hand. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I believe it's correct to overcall 2♦ on this hand. lol Too many players do it for me to say lol. Now I just say sigh.... and shake my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Anyone is entitled to his opinion. I think you guys are just being silly. Really silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 No one said you can't have your opinion! :) Skaeran, you can score my bidding poll any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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