MickyB Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sqj6hjt8da984ckt9]133|100|Scoring: IMP(P)-3♠-(P)-?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Yes. (assuming I'm sitting opposite myself - 3♠ 2nd seat V/NV should promise a nice hand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Worth one more? I am thinking about trying for slam, I would neve consider pass. Look your partner opened second seat a preempt. These should be "sound" preempts under whatever range of preempts you play. Second, you ARE VUL and they are not at imps. He really should have a fair shot for 9 tricks in his hand. Your spade queen was enough to raise to game. You have an additional ACE and king. Slam should have some chance if they can not cash two quick tricks in hearts or two aces. I expect the two ACE problem will be our downfall for slam, so I would bid 4♠, but change my club King to club ACE, and I cue-bid 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dodgy Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 sure, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Well we do have 2,5 cover cards. I don't think that's enough, even at these colors and seat. But there's no way I'm missing out on a vuln game!!! 4♠ it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewj Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Like most of the players, I would bid 4 in my sleep and expect to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Worth one more? I am thinking about trying for slam, I would neve consider pass. Slam? Lol. I would obviously boost it to 4 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Its a guess. Give pard ♠AK-7th. We have 9 off the top with the ♣A well placed. To get 10, we need a little help. Pard may have it or he might not, but you bid your games and apologize if you go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinbrasil Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Worth one more? I am thinking about trying for slam, I would neve consider pass. Look your partner opened second seat a preempt. These should be "sound" preempts under whatever range of preempts you play. Second, you ARE VUL and they are not at imps. He really should have a fair shot for 9 tricks in his hand. Your spade queen was enough to raise to game. You have an additional ACE and king. Slam should have some chance if they can not cash two quick tricks in hearts or two aces. I expect the two ACE problem will be our downfall for slam, so I would bid 4♠, but change my club King to club ACE, and I cue-bid 4♣. This is not serious, you are not thinking in slam!! 4♠ is ok. If you win slam in this hand is because partner have to open 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 This is not so clear at all, it would really depend on who my partner was. I wouldn't be so shocked if pass was the long term winner opposite partners who are not inquiry :) I would probably kick it in opposite sound partners though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Opposite Ben, this is a GSF. Otherwise, I would just bid 4♠ - I am sure there are players opposite whom passing is right, but I wouldn't know this about any of my occasional partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Where's mike777 to partner Ben: to expect a play for 9 tricks in his own hand for 3♠???? Wow, what would a 4♠ opening bid show? I am with Justin... with at least two of my partners, game rates to be below even the red-at-imps odds, but with others, it rates to be about 40-50%. I'd go opposite them... heck, I'd probably go anyway, since some of the time that game fails, it goes down 2 (hence 3 fails as well). And, one thing is known: we are not going to get doubled :P BTW, no partner of mine would hold, as an example, AKxxxxx x Kxx xx.. that's a 1♠ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 No votes for 3N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Where's mike777 to partner Ben: to expect a play for 9 tricks in his own hand for 3♠???? Wow, what would a 4♠ opening bid show? I am with Justin... with at least two of my partners, game rates to be below even the red-at-imps odds, but with others, it rates to be about 40-50%. I'd go opposite them... heck, I'd probably go anyway, since some of the time that game fails, it goes down 2 (hence 3 fails as well). And, one thing is known: we are not going to get doubled :P BTW, no partner of mine would hold, as an example, AKxxxxx x Kxx xx.. that's a 1♠ bid. Well before all of you rip me a new one, let me remind you. 1- This is imps, not matchpoints2- We are 2nd seat not first3- We are vulnerable and they are not I expect to be no more than one down under these circumstances for a "preempt". If you don't play SOUND PREEMPTS at this type of contest under these conditions then you never will. And for the record, I am know for preempting in as few as four card suits under other conditions. Richard got very angry at me once for a four card preempt with him (not vul versus vul at matchpoints). Normally I usually have at least five cards at those condtions. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Hi, yes, being red vs. green, partner promisesat most -2, I have 2 sure tricks (Queen of spadeand the Ace) and a fair chances for a 3rd (king of clubs). With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 If you don't play SOUND PREEMPTS at this type of contest under these conditions then you never will. bingo! I never will!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BebopKid Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 4♠, I think. Ben, could you give us an example of a 9-trick hand that would open 3S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted May 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 For those who might pass, the auction proceeds double-pass-4♥ back to you. Stick or twist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted May 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=sat987xxhxxxdkxxc&s=sqjxhjt8da87xckt9]133|200|Scoring: IMPI passed 3♠, LHO doubled and RHO bid 4♥, which drifted one off with only 8 tricks available in spades. Glad to see my actions had some support![/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 <snip> Glad to see my actions had some support!<snip> ... ok, but hopefuly you will agree, that thegiven hand is min. for a 3S bid red. vs. green. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=sat987xxhxxxdkxxc&s=sqjxhjt8da87xckt9]133|200|Scoring: IMPI passed 3♠, LHO doubled and RHO bid 4♥, which drifted one off with only 8 tricks available in spades. Glad to see my actions had some support![/hv] Maybe you should have told us, that is was you young spirit who opened 3 Spade. Opposite a junior I had hoped that we will scrambvle 7 tricks with my hand as dummy somehow and that we won´t get hammered. With some cowards like me, your hand is not even close to something that looks like a weak three bid in second seat vul against not. But this is just a matter of style.I had openend this hand 3 Spade on this colours in 1. or 3. seat or nv in second, but never in the position you gave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I think it's rather unlucky that 4♠ goes off....... Switch the roundeds and add basically any 1 hcp and 4♠ has decent play. Wouldn't that be a 3♠ opener? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I'll bid 4♠ for more reasons: -It may make or go down one, and tghough it could be an under 50% contract, bidding the game at this vulnerabilities is a 36.5%+ affair-Opponents may reopen and find an making game (4♥ for example)-Opponents may make a phantom sacrifice, especially at this vulnerabilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 -It may make or go down one, and tghough it could be an under 50% contract, bidding the game at this vulnerabilities is a 36.5%+ affair Hey, long time since our last debate about those percentages!. I kno I said this before, but still: vulnerable games that make 36% of the time get doubled for -800 and you don't lose 6 IMPs, you lose 12 IMPs, that maths are not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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