Apollo81 Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 xJ98xxxxxAQxx all white IMPs 1♠-1NT2♣-?? no opposing bidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 3 looks about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 3♥ is a splinter for me; so 2. Haven't considered what 4♥ would be over 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 3♥ is a splinter for me so you're playing invitational JS? would you have bid 3♥ over 1♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 4 for me, maybe they lead a diamond or the wrong black suit and my loser in the other black suit goes away. Maybe need a 2-2 heart break, so what else is new. I should add 3 I understand, 2 I don't! I should also add, assuming it is natural :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 A natural 3♥ for me, but I don't quarrel with 4♥. I do feel this hand has too much game potential to settle for 2♥ in spite of the missfit. You do have 8♥ and PD is allowed to have a bit of help there. If he does he can carry on after 3♥, but if he continues 3NT you have to pull to 4♥. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 3♥ is a splinter for me so you're playing invitational JS? would you have bid 3♥ over 1♠? Hands should fit into baskets. If I deem this not worth a IJS, it should be a 2♥ rebid, but maybe this is what a 4♥ call looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 2H I do not think 2H promises nothing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Hi - 2H- 3H is a splinter- 4H, no idea, that's why I would not try it out at the table Partner will raise, if we are making 4H,because in this case he will hold heart honors With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 2 and a half preferably :) Voted 3, but if that's a splinter I'll bid 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 If you play a forcing NT and no invitational jump shifts, then of course 3H is not a splinter, as that is the only way to show we have an invitational hand with...hearts. Since the original poster didn't give us an option at the first round, it seems clear that we can bid 3♥ now, invite. That's what I would do - it doesn't have to be a misfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 The more I think about this, the more I don't think invite is enough. I can't greatly criticize it since of course game might not be making, but I think you have too many hearts and partner will undervalue his shortness. Like Axxxx x Kxx Axxx it would never occur to him to raise and you are on a 3-2. Even a non-opener with no fit like xxxxx x JTx AKxx, they probably won't lead a spade and if they lead a minor you are about 2/3 to make, needing either diamond finesse or 2-2 hearts and no terrible break in a minor. I think it's at least worth thinking about. Any time they lead diamonds or the wrong black suit, which combined I would say is a 75% chance since a diamond is the most likely lead, you can probably get rid of a black loser fast. They also may well lead a diamond from the king, why should they expect you to have AQ of diamonds when you bid this way? I still won't really criticize 3, but 2 is absurd to me. I still like 4, occasionally it's cold when partner would reject an invite, and often it makes on the wrong lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 With an 8-card suit I have to punt 4♥. (I voted 2♥ but then I counted my trumps) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 There's no way to know how pard's hcps fit my hand, so I'll just bid 4 and hope for the best. I think pard would pass out 3♥ too often when 4 has a play for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted May 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 You will get to game as long as you don't bid 2. Partner has Axxxx Qx Kx Axxx. My vote goes to a 3♥ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 You will get to game as long as you don't bid 2. Partner has Axxxx Qx Kx Axxx. My vote goes to a 3♥ bid. You notice you could eliminate any honor in partner's hand, even an ace, and game is still good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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