Is This The Right Room For An Argument?

[Fluffy]

Winston, have you abandoned this thread?

Or are all new posters after May 8 "simply so lame that adding further criticism would have been akin to debating an idiot savant on the meaning of life, ...". :) :P

Probably both :P

[Winstonm]

No, it's simply that when the moronic issue of fourth-suit forcing was raised, I decided further enlightenment would be wasted on such intellect and have therefore been spending my time debating a rock on the meaning of existence and getting more intellectual stimulation. :)

[Winstonm]

The important lesson seems to be that having firm agreements and following them is more important than finding the optimal agreements.

That is very true :P but the point of the thread is to discuss the optimal methods.

No, the point of this thread was to insult morons who think they know what is the point of this thread. :P You want an optimal agreement thread, go start your own. :)

[han]

No, the point of this thread was to insult morons

Only one moron in this room Winston.

 

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Why don't you master the art of finessing before you talk system with the big boys Helene.

 

I'll take on you Forcing Club folks who play at my level...

 

People at your level play SAYC foo.

 

but the point of the thread is

 

Shut up Josh! Even Mike777's English is better than yours.

 

(wow, two insults in one sentence!)

[keylime]

<purely parody with the theme of the topic; therefore don't take it seriously>

 

Depending on the village idiot that is playing with you in the role of central hand opponent, I am forced to play it for fear of losing said partner one of 2 ways:

 

1. 1H - 2C - 2S and forms thereof -> Extra values to cater to my partner's ridiculous excuse of a 2/1 response, i.e. a hand that jump shifts or opens a forcing club only to get preempted vigorously at 4 when it comes back to you since pard doesn't have their bid to begin with. This is "slow arrival"... which explains why pard needed that Citrucel to get their "arrival" sped up.

 

2. Picture showing: You, in you attempt to steer partner away from 3NT, show your suits and pray that either you do not get passed in a forcing bid or that pard will get excited and table the abomination that is....4NT, only to yank it back into your major with a suit unstopped because they missorted their hand, those pansies....

 

I know there are some visionaries that play some sort of rebid that shows any minimum....

[jdeegan]

:D Dear Winston,

 

Delightful to be able to enter into this distinguished forum you have sponsored. Perhaps, I can summarize.

 

Over a 1♥ or 1♠ opening the preferred method is always for a 2 level reverse to show extras - a king or better. This also works well over 1♦-P-2♣-P , although you may occasionally have to rebid 2NT with 4-4-4-1 shape and a minimum. You keep the bidding lower with the slightly better hand, a hand which is hard to show any other way.

 

Slams with 15-17 HCP opposite 14-17 HCP plus a little distribution can be hard to bid sometimes because neither partner appreciates the full potential of the combined hands. Overcoming this as best one can is the reason to play 2/1 in the first place.

[Fluffy]

Over a 1♥ or 1♠ opening the preferred method is always for a 2 level reverse to show extras

In My Holy Opinion, reverses at the 2 level after 1♠ opening should be played as roughly 3 to 24, the reasons behind this treatment are unkown to the common people and it is my task to hide them so you can never see them.

[bid_em_up]

In My Holy Opinion, reverses at the 2 level after 1♠ opening should be played as roughly 3 to 24,

Close, but I think what you really meant to say is:

 

In My Holey Opinion, reverses at the 2 level after 1♠ opening should be played as roughly 3 to 24.

 

We'll excuse it since we know English is not your native language. :)

[Winstonm]

We'll excuse it since we know English is not your native language

 

What is his native language - idiot jibberish? :P :) :D

[Winstonm]

:D Dear Winston,

 

Delightful to be able to enter into this distinguished forum you have sponsored.  Perhaps, I can summarize. 

 

Over a 1♥ or 1♠ opening the preferred method is always for a 2 level reverse to show extras - a king or better.  This also works well over 1♦-P-2♣-P , although you may occasionally have to rebid 2NT with 4-4-4-1 shape and a minimum. You keep the bidding lower with the slightly better hand, a hand which is hard to show any other way.

 

Slams with 15-17 HCP opposite 14-17 HCP plus a little distribution can be hard to bid sometimes because neither partner appreciates the full potential of the combined hands. Overcoming this as best one can is the reason to play 2/1 in the first place.

Niceties will not prevent getting slammed for the arrogance of proclaiming "all bridge knowledge" in your post. Obviously, the point in reversing is to force partner to bid again, but since he is going to do that already why waste room with an ignorant rebid on a 5-card suit if you are lucky (don't even get me started on the 4441 hand.) :P :D :D

 

And to anyone who says reverse should not show extra, I'd say to them I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell them - I'd point out the error of their ways but they'd be too dimwitted to understand it so why bother. :)

[helene_t]

No, the point of this thread was to insult morons who think they know what is the point of this thread. :P You want an optimal agreement thread, go start your own. :)

Oops, apparently I'm one of those morons. I must admit I thought the thread's purpose was to make those who take the thread serious feel stupid.

[han]

Oops, apparently I'm one of those morons.

What else is new? :)

[Fluffy]

We'll excuse it since we know English is not your native language.  :)

Accepting excuses is a symptom of weakness, there is no room in this post for the weak! :P

 

PD: I had to find symptom on google :D

[Winstonm]

No, the point of this thread was to insult morons who think they know what is the point of this thread.  :P  You want an optimal agreement thread, go start your own.  :P

Oops, apparently I'm one of those morons. I must admit I thought the thread's purpose was to make those who take the thread serious feel stupid.

There you go thinking again and getting in trouble - just toss your red hair and smile a lot - you'll get better results. :P

[jdeegan]

:D Dear Winston,

 

Delightful to be able to enter into this distinguished forum you have sponsored.  Perhaps, I can summarize. 

 

Over a 1♥ or 1♠ opening the preferred method is always for a 2 level reverse to show extras - a king or better.  This also works well over 1♦-P-2♣-P , although you may occasionally have to rebid 2NT with 4-4-4-1 shape and a minimum. You keep the bidding lower with the slightly better hand, a hand which is hard to show any other way.

 

Slams with 15-17 HCP opposite 14-17 HCP plus a little distribution can be hard to bid sometimes because neither partner appreciates the full potential of the combined hands. Overcoming this as best one can is the reason to play 2/1 in the first place.

Niceties will not prevent getting slammed for the arrogance of proclaiming "all bridge knowledge" in your post. Obviously, the point in reversing is to force partner to bid again, but since he is going to do that already why waste room with an ignorant rebid on a 5-card suit if you are lucky (don't even get me started on the 4441 hand.) :) :) :D

 

And to anyone who says reverse should not show extra, I'd say to them I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell them - I'd point out the error of their ways but they'd be too dimwitted to understand it so why bother. :P

:D You would be arrogant too - if you were me. Actually, I am only summarizing Mike Lawrence. When it comes to 2/1, Mike is, pretty much, "all bridge knowledge".

[han]

Agree that Mike Lawrence has had tremendous success as a player and his writing the subject is great. However, as far as I know he quit high level bridge and the game has moved on.

[pbleighton]

Agree that Mike Lawrence has had tremendous success as a player and his writing the subject is great. However, as far as I know he quit high level bridge and the game has moved on.

 

And he's been replaced by ... Hannie.

 

Peter

[han]

As long as you know it.