fred Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 [hv=n=sxxhaxxxdxxxxck9x&s=skxxhkqxxdaqcaq10x]133|200|[/hv] You open 2NT and play in 4H. You get a trump lead which you win with the King in hand. You cash the Queen of trump and both follow. How do you play from here? Is the contract certain? Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Play too throw West in with clubs. Best I think to test clubs before drawing the last trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosene Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 So long as West does not have 5 clubs, it is guaranteed, by a West throw in (play last trump, A and K of clubs, club off dummy, then either finesse or go up with club depending on if East plays a club or not and play last club, pitching spade from dummy). - not sure how to test for 5-1 clubs without risking the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Draw the last trump, cash the A and K of ♣s and hook the 10♣.. if RHO shows in on the 3rd round... if he shows out, cash the top 3 clubs and (if the J has not fallen) exit the last ♣. We are going to score 5 trumps, 3♣s, the ♦A and, unless West has 5+clubs (where he can give you a ruff and sluff) he is going to have to give you a ♠ or a ♦. Of course, if the hookk wins, we have a fast ten tricks. I don't think the hand is cold... if west has 5♣s to the Jack, he can give you a ruff-sluff which merely gives you your 5th trump trick, which you were always going to get. However, if RHO shows in with 2+♣s, this line assures the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I still don't think so. Don't draw last trump. PLay club to king and back to Ace. What is the bad thing that can happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 pull trumps cash 2 clubs, hook a club. If lho has 5 clubs I was thinking you could pitch from both hand but really declarers hand is squeezed if he pitches...lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 pull trumps cash 2 clubs, hook a club. LHO wins and plays back a club and now... you have 5 trumps, 3 clubs and a diamond and are one off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 pull trumps cash 2 clubs, hook a club. LHO wins and plays back a club and now... you have 5 trumps, 3 clubs and a diamond and are one off? Brilliant. Do you really think I would hook the club if RHO has SHOWN OUT? You are really becoming annoying, if you would like to attack something I say on every thread at least do it with something that is not nonsensical, thank you. I guess for some people I should clarify: If RHO shows out I will not take a finesse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 pull trumps cash 2 clubs, hook a club. LHO wins and plays back a club and now... you have 5 trumps, 3 clubs and a diamond and are one off? Right, the endplay does not work if LHO returns the 14th club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 pull trumps cash 2 clubs, hook a club. LHO wins and plays back a club and now... you have 5 trumps, 3 clubs and a diamond and are one off? Brilliant. Do you really think I would hook the club if RHO has SHOWN OUT? You are really becoming annoying, if you would like to attack something I say on every thread at least do it with something that is not nonsensical, thank you. I guess for some people I should clarify: If RHO shows out I will not take a finesse! And if RHO shows out on the second round...you do what? It's a discussion. Play of cards is quite different from bidding. There is no attack. I suggested testing clubs before drawing trumps to deal with 51 distribution. May or may not work... but nobody has had the courtesy so far to even wonder why I suggested it. All happy to go off after the first obvious attempt (high percentage I agree). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I win the club queen, exit a club and discard from dummy and claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I win the club queen, exit a club and discard from dummy and claim. Maybe its me.. Ruff and discard, still nine tricks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I win the club queen, exit a club and discard from dummy and claim. Maybe its me.. Ruff and discard, still nine tricks? OK we have seperate issues. If LHO has 4 clubs to the jack I will win the club and exit a club. If LHO has 3 clubs to the jack I will lose my finesse but he's endplayed.If LHO has 2 clubs I will win my finessIf LHO has 5 clubs to the jack I will have to guess what to do. As I said in my initial post, if LHO has 5 clubs I am not cold. As for your suggested "improvement" of not pulling the last trump it does not do anything, do you see why? That is why no one is responding to it. It is not an improvement. It is not up to others to show you why you are wrong, it is up to you to show why you are right. If you can demonstrate when you ever gain then maybe people will listen to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Yes I think you were right and testing clubs is no use. I missed that I don't need to take the ruff and discard if clubs are 5-1, I can let him make the fifth club and he is still thrown in to give me a tenth trick [edit: no you said that didn't work.. think again]. Too late for me to consider the play with clubs 6-0... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 I missed that I don't need to take the ruff and discard if clubs are 5-1, I can let him make the fifth club and he is still thrown in to give me a tenth trick That doesn't work since you have to discard from your hand on the 5th club. If you pitch a spade LHO can return a spade and force you to guess what to do. If you pitch a diamond from dummy and a spade comes back you can pitch another diamond from dummy, but you are still 2-2 in diamonds. Essentially you compress yourself down to 4 trump tricks. Alternatively if you pitch a diamond from your hand they can just return a diamond. That's what I meant when I said you're squeezed on the 5th round of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 playing 2 clubs before last trump might put RHO on a position where he can make a mistake (if 5-1), the problem is clubs could be 6-0 (unlikelly from the lead), then it would be a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 That doesn't work since you have to discard from your hand on the 5th club. If you pitch a spade LHO can return a spade and force you to guess what to do. If you pitch a diamond from dummy and a spade comes back you can pitch another diamond from dummy, but you are still 2-2 in diamonds. Essentially you compress yourself down to 4 trump tricks. Yes, when I said ...think again it was ambiguous, but I meant I had to think again. I can't see anything, and it does seem certain that the squeeze on declarer is the feature of the hand. In the end it is worth considering testing clubs first, in that West can't do you any damage by ruffing in and East may switch to diamonds if he ruffs in with clubs holding five - or you may play him for the ace of spades. However its not clear that this is better than the altrnative end position, and there is certainly no point at all in testing clubs if you haven't already foreseen declarer's discarding difficulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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