asc Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 [hv=s=sak10xxxxxhxd10caq10]133|100|[/hv] W____N____E____SPass_2♣___2♠___3♥Pass__??Vuln.N/Simps.The last deal of an importnt match (28 deals). It seems to be even till now, ahd we need a little win to go in a higher division. And if we finish 15-15 we have to wait for the other results, if we lose -the chance is bad. What is your bid now and how You think to bid next to show your hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Abstain I can't ever conceive opening 2♣ with this hand. Accordingly, I'm ill positioned to recommend an appropriate follow-up. In all seriousness, 2♣ is a travesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Yeah, 2♣ is a really poor bid... people making this deserve problems :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 3N. As other have said, 2♣ was a very bad opening, but I don't think that's a reason for dismissing the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 I wouldn't have opened 2C, that's silly.Even with another ace, I wouldn't have opened 2C. Be that as it may, 4S here should show spades, and that's what I have to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 3N. As other have said, 2♣ was a very bad opening, but I don't think that's a reason for dismissing the problem. Yes and no... The original poster asked for our help. I certainly agree that that dealing with psyches is an important skill that every player needs to learn. However, from my perspective, this is much less important than a basic understanding about what a 2♣ opening normally looks like. For what its worth, I dislike a 3NT response on this hand. If you bid NT, LHO will be on lead and will start cashing Diamonds. I think that your best course of action is a 3♠ bid. In an ideal world, partner will be able to bid 3NT showing a stopper. If he does, your well positioned to force the hand into a Spade contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Hi, having opened 2C (not my choice, but oh well I have bid under drugs before, and will so do inthe future):3S, followed by 4S and 5S, praying silently. Another option would be to bid 4NT intending topass 5S (I guess the most likely responde ...). With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Does 4♠ really show spades? Or might it be a splinter in support of hearts?What is the "usual" agreement used by "most" experts? We need a swing. OK.- I think 3NT may be down quite a few.- Lets assume RHO has 4 Spades including the QJ. That means all thos ein Slam are going down in 6♠.All we need to do is make a plus. I'll pass and hope we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 6♠. I botched this hand by opening 2♣. One particular downside to a strong 2♣ opening fit a one-suiter and weak HCP's is that it is very psychic-vulnerable, as illustrated. The opps will more likely have general strength sufficient for safely bidding a fake suit, and we will have insufficient strength for alternative courses. The upside to 6♠ is that it is unambiguously exposing the psychic. I have the right stiff, such that this may well make. I have chances opposite some trash like ♠x ♥Axxxxx ♦xxxx ♣Jx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Does 4♠ really show spades? Or might it be a splinter in support of hearts?What is the "usual" agreement used by "most" experts? One of 3S and 4S has to show spades. Which it is I don't think is standard, but bidding game 'feels' to me more likely to be a natural call, than bidding 3S followed by 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Let's see. At the extreme it isn't a psyche and LHO has four tricks against a spade contract... It looks like a spade opener leads quickly to four spades, so that is what I will bid - and hope to get out with a flat board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goobers Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 How do we know 2♠ was psychic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Wow. You are so screwed. No way will partner will take a jump to 4♠ as spades. I guess I would bid 6♠ -- the only bid that unambiguously shows spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Some psychs are hard to handle. This is one. I guess I'd bid 3S + 4S + keep on bidding spades. As for "2♣ is ridiculous", that's just silly. Give opener the same hand with ♣AKQ and 2♣ is completely obvious and you'd STILL have the same problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 As for "2♣ is ridiculous", that's just silly. Give opener the same hand with ♣AKQ and 2♣ is completely obvious and you'd STILL have the same problem. AK10xxxxx x x AKQ ain't a 2C opening either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Wow. You are so screwed. No way will partner will take a jump to 4♠ as spades. I guess I would bid 6♠ -- the only bid that unambiguously shows spades. You may be right, but what is 4♠ then - are you really splintering like this after 2♣ and inviting the weak hand to take control of the auction. I can't see that. For me with 3♠ available, 4 is natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegill Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 AK10xxxxx x x AKQ ain't a 2C opening either So do you require a full 11 tricks for your 2c openers instead of just probably 11? I assure you that partner will never be raising you to slam with an A and a small doubleton spade if you don't open 2c. You're just never going to convince partner you opened something else holding 11 tricks in your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Whether or not this hand is worth a 2C opening is irrelevent. The issue is what methods one can use to expose suspected psychics. One possible method is to play neg X's with neg free bids in such a situation.Unfortunately, many players have adopted using a double in this situation as showing some type of double-negative. Perhaps this approach as well as the dbl-neg 2H response to 2C (which wrong-sides heart contracts) might benefit from some re-assessment. dhl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 When I first learned bridge I was taught that the first suit bid by the 2C opener is natural. So under that rule 3S would be natural. Is that rule incorrect/outdated/nonstandard? I think so, 3S as a cuebid must be a better treatment in this auction. However in the auction 2C-(2H)-2S-(p) I would say 3H is definitely natural. So I guess the rule should be revised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 As for "2♣ is ridiculous", that's just silly. Give opener the same hand with ♣AKQ and 2♣ is completely obvious and you'd STILL have the same problem. AK10xxxxx x x AKQ ain't a 2C opening either I am going to have to seriously disagree with you on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 Abstain I can't ever conceive opening 2♣ with this hand. Accordingly, I'm ill positioned to recommend an appropriate follow-up. In all seriousness, 2♣ is a travesty. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 As for "2♣ is ridiculous", that's just silly. Give opener the same hand with ♣AKQ and 2♣ is completely obvious and you'd STILL have the same problem. AK10xxxxx x x AKQ ain't a 2C opening either AK10xxxx A A AKQ ain't a 2♣ opener either, anything with 8 cards is not a 2♣ opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 As for "2♣ is ridiculous", that's just silly. Give opener the same hand with ♣AKQ and 2♣ is completely obvious and you'd STILL have the same problem. AK10xxxxx x x AKQ ain't a 2C opening either I am going to have to seriously disagree with you on that one. Me too. If I ain't gonna open 2♣ with that, I've got a serious problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 AK10xxxx A A AKQ ain't a 2♣ opener either You're right. A hand with 12 cards is a "summon director" opener ;) :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Unluckily for me 3 Spade would ask for a stopper, showing a strong NT without good heart support and w/ó a spade stopper, so this bid is out.4 ♠ is "obviously" a splinter, accepting Hearts, which is not a very good describtion of my hand either. 5 Spade must be some kind of slam try and 6 Spade may or may not make. Surely there is a better way to play 3 Spade or 4 Spade in this situation, but I won´t like to have such specific rules. I would like to stuck to easy meta agreements like a jump in oponents suit is a splinter and a cue in his suit asks for a stopper. (Or showing a strong raise). Anyway, I will bid 6 Spade, after all pds 3 HEart was a positive statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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