Double ! Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Vulnerability is red vs. whiteGame format is imp pairs LHO deals and opens 3♦CHO doublesRHO bids 5♦You bid 5♠LHO passesCHO Bids 5NT How do you interpret the 5NT bid? as always, TIA dhl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Vulnerability is red vs. whiteGame format is imp pairs LHO deals and opens 3♦CHO doublesRHO bids 5♦You bid 5♠LHO passesCHO Bids 5NT How do you interpret the 5NT bid? as always, TIA dhl edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 It can only be a grand try for spades. The question is what the difference is between 6♦ and 5NT. Probably one denies first-round diamond control and one promises it. I think 5NT should promise a first-rounds control. It means basically "diamonds won't be the problem, you can still bid 6♣/♦♥ if you think some other suit might cause a problem, or 6♠ if you simply have minimal general values." The more space-consuming 6♦ bid should have the more specific meaning of denying first-round diamond control and basically ask you to bid 7 if you have one, maybe offering 6♥ as a sort of last train: "I do have a first-round control but my general values are minimal". I have no idea if that's "standard", though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 If I am playing that 4♣ shows a strong heart-club 2-suiter, then 5NT is definitely grand-slam try in spades. If not, then I'd play 5NT as showing a strong heart-club 2-suiter (at least initially before partner bids 6♠, then I'll re-evaluate!). Partner could have cue bid with a GSF. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 if we know what partners bid means 100% no problem...these comments silly. the point is we do not know what partner has. If you think this auction is standard..very standard..ok...just cite you sources.Otherwise we are guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Following the principle that after a pree finding a suit comes first and level afterwards, 5NT should be pick-a-slam. Pard should have some monster 2-suiter in clubs/hearts. But, of course, much of this depends on agreements you got, like whether you play ELC, leaping michaels, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinbrasil Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 If 2-suiter hand (medium or stronger) have available bid 4♦ this 5NT bid can be RKC also for ♠ (if you play rkc). Its important agreement situation, in my partneship we have 5NT as rkc in many situations, this one i am not sure yet :blink: but will discover today :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 My first thought was of Josephine, but I admit a big 2-suiter seems the most likely to me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Give me my spade suit. Maybe I don't care what CHO is trying IF my spades are solid: 7S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Following the principle that after a pree finding a suit comes first and level afterwards, 5NT should be pick-a-slam. Pard should have some monster 2-suiter in clubs/hearts. But, of course, much of this depends on agreements you got, like whether you play ELC, leaping michaels, etc... Then why did partner double first instead of overcalling 4NT or 5NT? It is a strong raise of spades inviting 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 5NT is key card blackwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Following the principle that after a pree finding a suit comes first and level afterwards, 5NT should be pick-a-slam. Pard should have some monster 2-suiter in clubs/hearts. But, of course, much of this depends on agreements you got, like whether you play ELC, leaping michaels, etc... Then why did partner double first instead of overcalling 4NT or 5NT? It is a strong raise of spades inviting 7. Because he wasn't sure what slam to play. I'm putting pard on a very good 3=4=1=5. Hands that want to invite a grand in ♠'s bid 6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 It can only be a grand try for spades. The question is what the difference is between 6♦ and 5NT. Probably one denies first-round diamond control and one promises it. I think 5NT should promise a first-rounds control. It means basically "diamonds won't be the problem, you can still bid 6♣/♦♥ if you think some other suit might cause a problem, or 6♠ if you simply have minimal general values." The more space-consuming 6♦ bid should have the more specific meaning of denying first-round diamond control and basically ask you to bid 7 if you have one, maybe offering 6♥ as a sort of last train: "I do have a first-round control but my general values are minimal". I have no idea if that's "standard", though. I think its possible to invite in spades via 5N without a diamond control by starting with 5N, and then pulling 6 rounded to 6♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 You bid 5♠ and he is looking for another trump suit with 3415? Lol Well I'll admit your answer is better than the keycard one :blink: But 6♦ by pard promises diamond control. In fact it may well be a strong 3415 just like you say, but he isn't looking for another suit, he is coming in spades. Lol what the heck, I dispute one post and while I'm writing it you post another that agrees. You bastard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 You bid 5♠ and he is looking for another trump suit with 3415? Lol Well I'll admit your answer is better than the keycard one :blink: But 6♦ by pard promises diamond control. In fact it may well be a strong 3415 just like you say, but he isn't looking for another suit, he is coming in spades. Lol what the heck, I dispute one post and while I'm writing it you post another that agrees. You bastard! Hehe; I just came up with an alternative meaning for 5N. But I think it should initially be pick a slam. Bidding 5N and pulling to to 6♠ is akin to: (3♠) - double - (4♠) - 4N(pass) - 5 minor - (pass) - 5♥.. Which cancels the original meaning of 4N and shows an invite to 6♥ with a strong hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 28, 2007 Report Share Posted April 28, 2007 Well I'll admit your answer is better than the keycard one :blink: But 6♦ by pard promises diamond control. More important to have all controls than all aces to play 7, I understand :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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