badderzboy Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 None Vul Dealer N North S 4H KQ8D AQ7C A108732 South S AQ2H J1064D K5C Q964 Playing ACOL,Our bidding went 1C-1H-2D (5C/4D 16+) -2S(4SF) - 4H - 4NT - 5S - 6Cand went a little awry in places I know but what is the best way? unfortunately KC is in East so down 1 but is 6C the right place to be??? Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Second question first, no you should not be in 6 clubs. You have a 100% heart loser (the ace) and must avoid a club loser missing the KJx. If all three clubs are together or KJ opposite x you are thus always down. The odds of just those combinations are 48% by themselves. In addition if the club Kx is behind the ACE (in the wrong place), you are also down, that brings the nothing you can do on the hand up to 61%. Now that leaves the hands where you can make. You CAN (but not necessarily will) make in the remaining 39% of the time. This is when there is a singleton King or singleton Jack somewhere (but not singleton J in front of the ACE and Kx behind it). But even here, when you CAN MAKE, you must guess well which play to make/ It really isn't that big a guess, the club ace (playing for stiff King) has 26% chance to work (singleton King either side, 13% each), while leading the queen trying to pin a stiff jack has a 13% chance. (the 13% chance the stiff jack was in front of the ACE also exist, but we already factored that above raising the 48% chance you are going down up to 61%) So your odds of making this slam are really not all that good. I can't bid acol, so I can't comment on your bidding. But I play lebehnshol over reverses (called something like ingerberman--spelling is wrong). So here, is my auction. 1C-1H2D-3C4C-4H5C-Pass 3C = game force, 4C = minorwood, 4D=1 or 4 keycards, missing two, no slam. Obvioulsy 3NT from south would be better. There is a way to that one too (well, 4NT)... 1C-1H2D-3C3H-3N4D-4S4N-Pass If opener wanted to know about keycards, he could still have bid 4C over 3NT. After 3H, South knows S-AQx not all that wonderful opposite clearly shortness in spades. Finally, I am not wild about the reverse in the first place. Playing with Misho, (and maybe Free who uses something similar), my auction would be... 1C-1H3C-3NPass Where the jump rebid in 3C promises a hand just like this. Six card suit, 3 card support, not forcing, fair values. See for instance this thread where this wacky kind of bid is discussed... surely something to think about. http://forums.bridgebase.com/in...=3+card+support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 6C doesn't look to be a good contract.You are guarunteed a Heart loser and highly likley to lose a club as well. Personally, I don't like the reverse on what is essentially a single suited hand. Suggested auction 1C - 1H2C - 3N 2C isn't a great rebid holding a 5 loser hand, however, I think that the underbid is less of a lie than 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 As others have said 6C missing two keycards is not a good contract. Playing Acol, there is a lot to be said for not bidding 1H on a hand like this. In the unlikley event that Hearts is the correct place to be, then you will still get there if you support Clubs straight away. What you don't want to happen is that partner downgrades a singleton Heart, which might in fact be the key to making a slam. How about 1C 3C4C* 4H*5C I like 4C in this situation to be RKCB. After the 1 keycard response, opener knows that slam can't be good. If you don't play this, then you can cuebid your way to 5C, but this requires more judgement by both players. Playing MP I think the best auction is 1C 3NT Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 I don't understand why you bid 4H instead of NT after 4th suit forcing. Also, why reverse if you have NO 5-4C-D AND NO 16+HCP? If partner bids 2S, bid 3NT (minimal and stop) and that's what you'll play (easy). If he didn't reverse, I guess Richard's auction would be mine to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 OK using Precision we NEVER get to 6 of ANYTHING :lol: Bidding (opps silent)1C (16+) 2NT (11-12 no 5 card suit)2C ( stayman ) 2H 3C (a CLUB suit) 4C ( I like C tell me more :D )4D (diamond A) 4S ( !s A NO !h A)5C ------------- no more to tell - this is where we play :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 None Vul Dealer N North S 4H KQ8D AQ7C A108732 South S AQ2H J1064D K5C Q964 Playing ACOL,Our bidding went 1C-1H-2D (5C/4D 16+) -2S(4SF) - 4H - 4NT - 5S - 6Cand went a little awry in places I know but what is the best way? unfortunately KC is in East so down 1 but is 6C the right place to be??? Cheers Steve AHH, good a natural system kinda question, shud get this rite :lol: First of all the 2D rebid is horrible, just rebid 2 CL, if pd can't do anything over 2 Cl y are in a very nice spot. But with this hand pd bids 3 CL and after that y bid 3 D showing a max hand for a minimum hand. And now pd bids 3 NT, showing good sp cards for NT, he can bid 3 Sp saying he has some but needs some help in spades, and with actual hand y bid 4 Cl and let pd decide where to go. So on this hand we get to a very nice 3 NT played from the rite side, and all that in a very nice controlled way. Easy game that bridge, just think ahead and try to keep lies to a minimum especially when y have a much better alternative available. :D Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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