double fit!

[goobers]

Favorable, IMPs 2nd seat.

 

You hold:

 

Kxxx ATxx xx Qxx

 

p - p - 1♦ - 1♠

p - 2♦ - 3♦ - 3♥

4♦ - 4♠ - p - p

5♦

 

2♦ is a frisky (in my opinion B) ) spade raise.

 

Was kibbing this hand... so say you know partner is 55 majors on this bidding. The double fit is revealed; what would you do?

 

I'll reveal all the hands later. I think there would've been a much different auction with stronger players, but it's still interesting, at least to me.

[the hog]

The cue raise is perfectly normal. You would raise to 2S with a lot less. 3H does not necessarily show a 5 card suit, but is usually played as a long suit trial or a bid giving partner help in case the opps bid on. The 4 and 5D bidder is a nutter. Passing first and then bidding like this is very poor. Well, now....I don't regard partner's pass as forcing, and I don't think they will make 5D, but I am passing nevertheless, unless I was really sure of my pd. Opposite my regular pd the pass would be an invitation to bid on with a suitable hand.

[whereagles]

5♠ rates to go down on 3 minor suit losers. 5♦ can make, but probably will go 1 or 2 down. Dbl against a normal RHO or pass if he's some sneaky guy who could have already bid 5♦.

[DWM]

This looks like the typical situation that I would double on principle on. This also looks like the typical situation that I give away loads of extra IMP's.

 

If I have remembered my lessons of the past I would pass, I have showed that I have a good hand for an initial pass. Although I do not think I have shown that we have a double fit by bidding 4♠ I have shown that P that him looking for extra tricks in hearts had not softened my hand. I do not have much more to say.

[gwnn]

why not pass?

[goobers]

Yeah, the bidding is a bit suspect... partner actually had 5-5 majors, and your LHO failed to raise diamonds holding a 7 count with KJxx in support.

[pclayton]

Are we playing weak / strong Michaels? In any case, I would not expect 5 hearts from partner; 4 would be suffiicient.

 

With many hands with a 5-5 (and too strong for a Michaels); pard is not monkeying around with 3♥. he may bid 4♥ to help us with the decision over the pending 5♦, or he may just bid 4♠.

 

This hand is a little thin for a limit raise. If we could show a constructive raise via transfer advance, that would be the call that I would choose.

 

Playing maximal doubles; 3♥ isn't even a suit; its just a generic game try, and I would have passed 4♦. If 3♥ does show a suit, then taking the push seems OK; but why not play in the 4-4 fit? Pitching a club from my hand on the 5th spade could be crucial.

 

Last, even if I bid the hand as presented, I would not bid over 5♦. I've already overbid this at least once; initially because of the 4th trump, and later because of the double fit. What more could I possibly have to say? I have a bad holding in diamonds, and my ♣Q is probably worthless.

[mhais]

:P by cue bidding i have announsed fit 5dx assuares 1quick trick & then leave decision to pd.

[jdonn]

With 4 trumps and a doubleton diamond, the limit raise was a totally obvious bid.

 

I think, given that we were told 3♥ is natural, we should have raised to 4♥. This is not so much that I think hearts will play better, it's so that partner knows WHY we want to play game, it's because of a heart fit. 4♠ could have just been based on a general maximum limit raise that didn't care so much for hearts. Had we raised hearts last round we would certainly have told our story, and now would have a very comfortable pass.