Is this a good idea?

[Free]

I've been thinking about responses over opener's minor in a natural system (3+ cards, pretty solid openings). Here's what I had in mind:

 

1♣ - ?

1X = natural

1NT = 6-9(10)hcp, no other suitable bid

2♣ = 10+hcp, 4+♣

2♦ = 6-9hcp, 5+♠, 4+♥

2♥ = 10-11hcp, 5+♠, 4+♥

2♠ = mixed ♣ raise (typically 6-9hcp, 5+♣)

2NT = natural GF (12-15 or 19+)

3♣ = weak ♣ raise (typically 0-5hcp, 5+♣)

3X = splinters

3NT = 16-18hcp balanced

 

1♦ - ?

1M = natural

1NT = 6-9(10)hcp, no other suitable bid

2♣ = 10+hcp, 4+♣

2♦ = 10+hcp, 4+♦

2♥ = 6-9hcp, 5+♠, 4+♥

2♠ = 10-11hcp, 5+♠, 4+♥

2NT = natural GF (12-15 or 19+)

3♣ = mixed ♦ raise (typically 6-9hcp, 5+♦)

3♦ = weak ♦ raise (typically 0-5hcp, 5+♦)

3M = splinters

3NT = 16-18hcp balanced

4♣ = splinter

 

What do you think about this?

 

Some remarks before you give suggestions:

- I want to have these reversed flannery responses

- I want to be able to show weak and mixed raises

[Gerben42]

Simple question: Do you need the 10 - 11 reverse F bid also? I would suggest:

 

1♣ - 2♦ = WJS in a major

1♣ - 2♥ = Rev. F

 

I like the " 2N natural GF" part.

 

How about

 

1♦ - 2♠ = Invite balanced or ♣

[Jboling]

I play almost exactly like that, but I do not have invitational reverse Flannerys. Instead I have 1♣-2♦ and 1♦-3♣ as natural invitational, so that I can distinguish them from GF singelsuiters. Thus 1m-2♥ is always reverse Flannery and 1m-2♠ is always a mixed raise.

[pclayton]

Free: This is very close to what my partner and I currently play.

 

I know in Fred's articles he proposed 2 bids for reverse flannery, but I think you can safely use just one. Its the 6-9 hand that gets you into trouble, not the 10-12 hand.

 

I think its more important to have the single raise GF. We use 2♠ as the mixed raise, and the jump shift in the other minor as limit and this works well.

 

We are experimenting the structure I suggested in the 2N thread a few days ago.

[jdonn]

Simple question: Do you need the 10 - 11 reverse F bid also? I would suggest:

 

1♣ - 2♦ = WJS in a major

1♣ - 2♥ = Rev. F

 

I like the " 2N natural GF" part.

 

How about

 

1♦ - 2♠ = Invite balanced or ♣

I think the better version of what you are suggesting is

 

2♦ = rev flan

2♥ = balanced invite

2♠ = mixed raise in clubs

 

and just forget WJS in a major. This makes all the other 3 bids function much much better, especially the balanced invite, since pard can even decide if he wants to declare or not (and thus you can make the bid on non 'notrumpy' hands without distorting your hand.)

 

Alternatively doable is

 

2♥ = balanced invite or clubs

2♠ = WJS

 

Giving you the more effective WJS being made in the most preemptive fashion possible, it just requires more discussion and workaround on the 2♥ bid but it definitely can be done.

[Guest Jlall]

This is a pretty basic structure and very playable and solid. You might be able to improve on it slightly by adding some complexity ie:

 

1C-2D=mixed raise in clubs or a balanced invite

2H asks then

2S=unbalanced mixed raise

2N=balanced invite

3C=mixed raise with no singleton

 

Then 1C-2H and 1C-2S are your reverse flan bids.

[pclayton]

Then 1C-2H and 1C-2S are your reverse flan bids.

Not a good idea to have the reverse flannery call pass 2♥, since that might be the last playable spot.

[Guest Jlall]

Then 1C-2H and 1C-2S are your reverse flan bids.

Not a good idea to have the reverse flannery call pass 2♥, since that might be the last playable spot.

When it shows 10-11 points it seems fine to me. He's doing this over 1D already.