jillybean Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=a&n=skqjh4dakj6ckj873&s=sa9762hj85dq52caq]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South Pass 1♣ Pass 1♠ 2♥ 3♦ Pass 5♣ Pass Pass Pass Hi,Here is a hand Richard and I played. We know we should have been in a better contract, what is the best way to get there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 3♦ was a big bid. With no wasted values in hearts, and so much stuff, it seems like South should allow North to complete the picture. 5♣ seems like the weakest of all options, completely wrong. A nice auction would start with 3♥ after 3♦. When Opener bids 3♠, showing the nature of his pattern, South has little trouble finding 6♠, I'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 1C = impeccable1S = impeccable 3D = not absurd, but if you play support doubles, why not make one? There is no law that says you can't bid again having made such a double. That leaves 3D to show a serious minor-suited hand, which is what I would have expected. So I prefer a double, but I don't think 3D is blatantly wrong. 5C = blatantly wrong. I surmise South was uncertain whether 4C was forcing or not (and it is a murky sequence in competition), so merit marks for ensuring NS get to game, but South has a hand worth a game force with uncertain direction, and a cuebid (3H) would express that perfectly. After the 3D bid, I would expect to end in 6C, rather than 6S, because South has a lovely hand for the minors and rather anaemic spades (just imagine something like Kx x AKJx KJ10xxx opposite, which would bid 3S over 3H to finish describing his hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 (edited) South is worth a slam force if partner can cuebid hearts at some point. The 3D bid was fine if you play a X of 2H as penalty but I would recommend you change this to either support or "good hand." Edited April 23, 2007 by Jlall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 This really isn't a good hand for support doubles. The auction gets a little murkey after 1♣ - (p) - 1♠ - (2♥) - dbl - (P). I suppose South has to cue 3♥ to set up a force. North return cue 4♥ (or 4♦). You might bull your way into 6. A cleaner start is North's actual 3♦. South should now cue 3♥ (5♣ is way off base, and shows a lack of poise), and North can pattern out. South's values are working overtime, and can take control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 South is worth a slam force if partner can cuebid hearts at some point. The 3D bid was fine if you don't play a X of 2H as penalty but I would recommend you change this to either support or "good hand." I think you meant "...if you DO play..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 What's wrong with South bidding 3♠ over 3♦? Pard supports in 4♠ now and South knows all his hcps are golden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 What's wrong with South bidding 3♠ over 3♦? Pard supports in 4♠ now and South knows all his hcps are golden. Because our suit sucks. I doubt its forcing as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 What's wrong with South bidding 3♠ over 3♦? Pard supports in 4♠ now and South knows all his hcps are golden. YH KxxAKJxKJ109xx 1C P 1S 2H3D P 3S P? doesn't 4S seem like the obvious call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 South should have bid 3♥ over 3♦. When north then rebids 3♠, it should be quite simple to reach 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 3♦ was OK if you're not playing support doubles. South has a great hand now with 4 filling cards, and if we have ♥ control the slam is obvious. So 3♥ (establishing GF) and on 3♠ from partner bid 4♣. From here it's easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 South is worth a slam force if partner can cuebid hearts at some point. The 3D bid was fine if you don't play a X of 2H as penalty but I would recommend you change this to either support or "good hand." I think you meant "...if you DO play..." indeed I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 3♦ was OK if you're not playing support doubles. South has a great hand now with 4 filling cards, and if we have ♥ control the slam is obvious. So 3♥ (establishing GF) and on 3♠ from partner bid 4♣. From here it's easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I would have made a support double instead of 3D if playing them. If not then 3D is automatic. I agree with everybody that north should bid 3H, not 5C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asc Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 1♣___1♠_(2♥)3♦___3♥4♥ -singleton with ♠3 ________5♥ ( :) pick a slam no lost honors in ♥) :) ____no more bids in ♥ :D (no ♥ void :) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 What's wrong with South bidding 3♠ over 3♦? Pard supports in 4♠ now and South knows all his hcps are golden. Because our suit sucks. I doubt its forcing as well. huh? Opener has made an extra-high reverse. How high must one bid a minor to establish a game-force? The 5 lev? <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 What's wrong with South bidding 3♠ over 3♦? Pard supports in 4♠ now and South knows all his hcps are golden. YH KxxAKJxKJ109xx 1C P 1S 2H3D P 3S P? doesn't 4S seem like the obvious call? Indeed. But hey, unless you're playing the dreaded support dbl, most of the time opener will have 3 spades for his raise to 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 I agree with all that Francis said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted April 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 I agree with all that Francis said. Me too :P Richard bid 3♦, I hadn't told him I've added support doubles to my card.I panicked and blasted 5♣, In hindsight 3♥ is perfect. West North East South Pass 1♣ Pass 1♠ 2♥ 3♦ Pass ? I dont know if 4♣ is forcing here but I would think 3♦ is gf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Yes, certainly 3♦ is GF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 What's wrong with South bidding 3♠ over 3♦? Pard supports in 4♠ now and South knows all his hcps are golden. Because our suit sucks. I doubt its forcing as well. huh? Opener has made an extra-high reverse. How high must one bid a minor to establish a game-force? The 5 lev? :) Fair enough; it should be forcing. But just because we can throw our "forcing" label on it doesn't mean we should be rebidding such a mangy suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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