Weak bids

[DWM]

[hv=s=sxhjtxxxxdxxcakxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

Last week my P held this hand and jumped to 2♥ after 1♣ was opened on his right, by dealer.

 

Although I made a very bad judgment call later on in the bidding (costing 1100) I was surprised to see the hand my partner made a week bid on.

 

Should does a week jump show an offensive hand or just length in one suit?

 

With the 2♥ bid showing a week hand (5-9 pts) with 6+ hearts would you make such a bid with this hand a) facing a passed hand :) facing a hand yet to bid?

 

If you do not bid 2♥ would you bid 1♥ or pass? I can see that P might expect another Q in a regular 1♥ bid, but you do have 1 ♥ than promissed.

[Mr. Dodgy]

1♥

[inquiry]

First off, leaving out the vulnerability is probably a mistake. A preempt on this hand, vul versus non-vul is just crazy, and a vulnerable preempt (both) with this is not a good bid in my opinion either.

 

So the question is would I ever bid 2♥ with this when not vul? The answer is yes, but ONLY if my partner was a pass hand. I expect partner not to hang me for non-vul "preempts" when he has passed. And even then, I probably would not preempt.

 

At all other conditions (other than non-vul opposite a passed hand), I would either pass with this hand, or overcall a simple 1♥. If you went for 1100, I suspect you did not have heart support and went bidding or you had crappy heart support (maybe Kx) and went bidding. So while I disagree with your partners bid, I think you might want to examine your follow up. The only excuse for going for 1100 is partner bid 2♥ on this vulnerable with two defensive tricks outside his weak suit and you took him for having a real 2♥ bid given the vulnerability.

[pbleighton]

I would bid 2H opposite a passed hand at all vulnerabilities, though many (most?) players wouldn't do this vulnerable. I think it's probably *most*, since Ben wouldn't, and he's a fairly aggressive bidder.

 

Opposite an unpassed hand I would bid 1H, the hand is too good for 2H.

 

Peter

[hotShot]

The weak jump to 2M after a 1m opening makes sense, if you think that you need to preempt opponents. To feel that need you should not be stronger than 0-5 HCP, because otherwise opps won't have a real chance to make any game. Of cause being non vul makes it a better idea, but even in red vs. red playing 2Mx -2 for 500 can be better than opps game (600 or 620) and they need to find a reason to dbl first.

 

Your partner holds an 8 count with 2 defense tricks to your opening, so you should be able to make 4-5 tricks with this. Opps won't have game or even the majority of points so a preempt does not make sense.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

1H

 

I dont like the honor distribution

and the suit quality for a 2H bid.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: The bad judgment call may be caused

by the surprinsing 2H bid.

[skjaeran]

I would bid 2H opposite a passed hand at all vulnerabilities, though many (most?) players wouldn't do this vulnerable. I think it's probably *most*, since Ben wouldn't, and he's a fairly aggressive bidder.

 

Opposite an unpassed hand I would bid 1H, the hand is too good for 2H.

 

Peter

Mostly agree here.

Against some opps I might overcall 1♥ VUL vs NV.

[SoTired]

I think 2H is acceptable especially opposite a passed hand partner. Non-vul vs vul with a 6-4, I bid 3H rather than 2H. Lack of trump honors do not scare me. If you went for 1100, then you likely bid very poorly on this hand and the 2H preempt is not to blame. If this hand was x AJ10xxx xx Kxxx, I bet you would still go for 800 or 1100.

 

Many would not preempt on this hand, but I would. Some reasons:

1) If you bid 1H, you will not obstruct the opponents much. They will have no problem finding their best fit and contract.

2) Would you like partner to lead a heart from ♥Kx(x)? Not really, so one purpose of an overcall (suggest a lead) is out the window.

3) Your shape (6-4) is very offensive, so the jump maximizes that shape. If you can catch partner with a few hearts and club shortness, this hand may take lots of tricks in hearts, but only 2 in any other contract.

 

Conclusion: Don't let the opps have an easy, well-defined auction if you can help it.

[Apollo81]

A solid local expert near where I live claims that 20-30 years ago he kept records of all wins/losses and even normal looking WJOs were the biggest loser by far.

 

I would always weak-2 this hand but as Ben said, the conditions matter for a WJO

[whereagles]

I've noticed that WJOs or weak 2 openers gain the most when opps OVERBID to a game or slam that doesn't make. It's more rare that you gain points from opps underbidding their slam or game.

[gwnn]

yep from R/S "people overbid, that's the way of the world".

 

btw 2♥ is a fun bid. i'd probably make it nv on v. see if they're good enough to avoid the 3NT bid where i've got 2 very nice looking entries and pd has Q♥. :P