000002 Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 i met this hand 2days ago,the aution started from a fitjump:1♦--1♥---3♣---? opponent open 1♦,partner overcall 1♥,RHO jump 3♣ with 8-10Hcps and 44minors,total 9cards+always,unbalanced normally. what is 3♦-Q meaning? and how to prevent opps 6♦ when we are unbalanced too?following hand described belong to N-S.98548AK873A92 ----Q92J972KQJ864 it appeared on chinese bridge association "canghe autocar" cup tournament,would u like to teach them? thanks ,regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 I would play cue-bid to show good raise to 3♥ while a direct raise to 3♥ is just competitive. A double of 3♣ would show spades and at least a tolerance for hearts. If you want to be sure to keep them from bidding 6♦ reach over and pull the 6[ci] cards out of their bidding boxes. B) Actually, i think they may have trouble bidding it if 3♣ only promised 4 clubs. The reason why 6♦ is a reasonable contract (still needs 2-2 diamonds or singleton Queen) is the source of tricks provides by six remarkably strong clubs. Fit jumps really should promise at least five in jumped suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 agree 100% with Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 agree 100% with Ben Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted April 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 I would play cue-bid to show good raise to 3♥ while a direct raise to 3♥ is just competitive. A double of 3♣ would show spades and at least a tolerance for hearts. If you want to be sure to keep them from bidding 6♦ reach over and pull the 6[ci] cards out of their bidding boxes. :ph34r: Actually, i think they may have trouble bidding it if 3♣ only promised 4 clubs. The reason why 6♦ is a reasonable contract (still needs 2-2 diamonds or singleton Queen) is the source of tricks provides by six remarkably strong clubs. Fit jumps really should promise at least five in jumped suit. yes i agree u.but i notice that we have 12max points in this case---open+overcall+invite=28Hcps always. with 8-12ps,to distinguish invitation or competition is necessary,but i think it's NOT key focus now when i raise a simple overcall to 3level.it's auto promise that i have an invitational hand. when i start an invitatioal DBL-3♣,partner(overcaller) can cue 3♦ to invite me too,or DBL-3♦ to show invitational hand.1d--1h--3c--x3d--x:invite 4♥. what is the difference between this 2way?if we DBL-3♣ to show ♠,what is 3♦ meaning if overcaller bid it?1d--1h--3c--x/----3d?shape/counts/trump/stopper? regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 "with 8-12ps,to distinguish invitation or competition is necessary,but i think it's NOT key focus now when i raise a simple overcall to 3level.it's auto promise that i have an invitational hand." No its not. Or perhaps better to say "IF it is for you, then you would be better off playing that the raise to the 3 level is pre emptive and the cue shows the invit raise." I agree with Ben, Free and Skaeran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 yes i agree u.but i notice that we have 12max points in this case---open+overcall+invite=28Hcps always. Wait a second. Opening = 10 hcp at least, overcall = 6 hcp at least, 3♣, hmm, explained as 8-10, makes a total of 24 hcp at least. Why do i need 8 hcp to bid? xxxxx Axxx x xxx is a useful 3♥ bid IMO. So my range would be more like 4-16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 yes i agree u.but i notice that we have 12max points in this case---open+overcall+invite=28Hcps always. with 8-12ps,to distinguish invitation or competition is necessary,but i think it's NOT key focus now when i raise a simple overcall to 3level.it's auto promise that i have an invitational hand. when i start an invitatioal DBL-3♣,partner(overcaller) can cue 3♦ to invite me too,or DBL-3♦ to show invitational hand.1d--1h--3c--x3d--x:invite 4♥. what is the difference between this 2way?if we DBL-3♣ to show ♠,what is 3♦ meaning if overcaller bid it?1d--1h--3c--x/----3d?shape/counts/trump/stopper? regards 000002 I think a raise to the 3 level as "auto-promise that I have an invitational hand" is a losing proposition. Let's see your other choices you listed.. As I read what you say,(1D)-1H-(3C)-3H <---- auto promise of invite hand(1D)-1H-(3C)-3D <---- you show an invitational hand(1D)-1H-(3C)-DBL <--- invite, and unique follow up, opener can now reinvite with 3♥ Ok, you have no way to show spades, you have no way to just compete in hearts, and you have not one, not two but three ways to invite in hearts. Why? And intersting after the dbl to invite opener can re-invite, so lets call it four ways to invite. I have to admit that I am not fond of this at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted April 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 cherdano: yes, u r right. when we construct an overcalling frame,we should suppose typical hand without special. openner maybe 8Hps only,F-Jumper maybe nobbler,and partner maybe 6ps.....but, we are in gear. inquriy: yes, many way to detect game. but ,do we ever arrange it in science?why 3♦-q is intense invitation? i don't believe any bridge rule now, because occident ever taught chineses that "to die without free" . regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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