pclayton Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Here's an interesting hand Chris Larsen gave me from their GNT match against Marshall Miles. His partner Joe Kivel held: ♠A642 ♥A3 ♦J752 ♣753 LHO opens 1♦ (unbalanced, and I believe, limited to a 15 count (Josh: can you clarify?)) and pard doubles. Your call? Personally I would bid 2♠, but Chris thinks its an overbid. Joe bid 2♠ as well, and settled in 4♠: [hv=d=w&v=n&n=skj93hk952da63ck8&s=sa642ha3dj742c753]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The opening lead is the ♦K. Remember LHO is unbalanced. You win the A and play a spade to the Ace and LHO drops the 10. Now what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 What are their other openings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I wasn't even there but I have played on teams with him playing this system a lot, and against him playing it at the table a lot. In fact I believe he mentioned me in his book about it, it kind of went down like this. I reviewed the book and made some suggestions, including a particular auction where his followups were awful. So he took my idea that I think was really good, rearranged it into some idea that is far worse (though better than what he originally had), and gave me credit for it. Gee thanks :) His 1♦ opener is about good 11 to bad 15 (lots of upgrading excellent 15s and 14s out of the bid and downgrading lousy 16s into it), and essentially just denies a 5 card major and shows either one or both minors. It tends not to be very maximum if it has a 4 card major. It does promise an unbalanced hand. For Noble, 1♣ is strong but limited, about 15-19.1M is natural 5+, less than a 1♣ opening1NT is 12-14.Higher bids are either preempts, or all the various 20+ hands. I also believe 2♠ is an overbid, though not a huge one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I don't seem to be in the same wavelenght since I think 2♠ is clear :/ for the play, I don't see anything better than ruffin 2 ♥ in hand hoping LHO has 2254 or 2245, so play 2 trumps and ruff a ♥ in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwingo Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I would like to see the line of play on a 4 - 1 trump break. I couldn't crack it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Offhand if the trumps are 4-1, it may be crucial to get the C ruff in early, so it appears to me that the next move is a C towards the K. It looks very complicated, but if the ST is a true card, the only time you pick up the SQ directly is if S are 2-2 (relevantly likely 2-2-4-5, 2-2-5-4, 2-4-5-2, 2-4-2-5 ignoring 6 card suits for LHO as unlikely on the combination of bids and play). Of that subset, the absence of D "raise" and assumption that the DK would be KQ tight probably means you eliminate 2-4-2-5. Of the hands with ST singleton you want to avoid the risk of anearly pitch by RHO of a C (if C are 5-3), so play the C now prior to even considering a second trump.... You are down if the CA is not onside (2C losers and 2 D losers or D ruffs) off the top. I think I would play to engineer the H ruff, then the C ruff before leading the 4th H off the board...but almost certainly insufficient thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Offhand if the trumps are 4-1, it may be crucial to get the C ruff in early, so it appears to me that the next move is a C towards the K. It looks very complicated, but if the ST is a true card, the only time you pick up the SQ directly is if S are 2-2 (relevantly likely 2-2-4-5, 2-2-5-4, 2-4-5-2, 2-4-2-5 ignoring 6 card suits for LHO as unlikely on the combination of bids and play). Of that subset, the absence of D "raise" and assumption that the DK would be KQ tight probably means you eliminate 2-4-2-5. Of the hands with ST singleton you want to avoid the risk of anearly pitch by RHO of a C (if C are 5-3), so play the C now prior to even considering a second trump.... You are down if the CA is not onside (2C losers and 2 D losers or D ruffs) off the top. I think I would play to engineer the H ruff, then the C ruff before leading the 4th H off the board...but almost certainly insufficient thought This is a good start, but I'll explain later how I think its slightly inferior to something else. 3. The ♣K wins. 4. You exit a club and RHO wins and plays a heart. Proceed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 1. In France and Germany 2 Spade had been clear cut. It shows 8-10 HCP and 4 Spades, exactly what I have. If this is an overbid in their system, it depends on their system...2. I cannot win after this start if east has Q875 of spades . They get a diamond, a club, a diamond ruff and the queen of spades. 3. Hadn´t it been an idea to duck the first diamond? If they are 4-2 or better it may be nice to force west to play to the second trick. If the diamonds are 5-1 this will fail very quick, but I don´t know if I have better odds after winning the first trick. Okay, after East returned a Heart after winning the second club, 5-1 seems to be a certanity.4. I have a club and two diamond loosers for certain, (as long as I cannot endplay west with the second club, quite unlikely)... So I am not allowed to give up a spade or a heart. I will try to play West for QT,xx,KQxxx,AQxx or so. . So I hope to win AKJ9 of spade, 2 Heart, two heart ruff, A of D, K of club for an amazing ten tricksI win the Heart in hand, play a spade, seeing the queen from west play the King of H a H ruff, a club ruff a Heart ruff. If the 4 heart is ruffed from East, I can discard a diamond and a second one after his forced club continuation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Here's the complete hand: [hv=n=skj9xhkxxxdaxxckx&w=sthqxxdkqtxxcaxxx&e=sqxxxhjtxxdxcqjxx&s=saxxxhaxdjxxxcxxx]399|300|[/hv] You must win the 1st trick - for starters. The key word is "unbalanced" which means West has a stiff or void. If its in hearts or clubs, you would have heard something from RHO holding 6 or 7; so trumps are probably 4-1. After the 10 drops on your right, you can play a club up, and this is what happened at the table. Exit a club, and the J wins on your right. (Note: LHO can win the club, cash the diamond, and give his pard a diamond ruff for -1, but even the great players miss plays like this) RHO exits a heart. Play A♥, ♥ to King, ruff ♥, ruff club, ruff heart as RHO follows. The position is now: [hv=n=skj9xhkxxxdaxxckx&w=sthqxxdkqtxxcaxxx&e=sqxxxhjtxxdxcqjxx&s=saxxxhaxdjxxxcxxx]399|300|[/hv] South has already made 8 tricks (A♠, 2♥, 2♥ ruffs, A♦, K♣ and a ♣ ruff). A diamond exit gets two more. Its technically better to take the heart ruff first, before leading a club to the King. However, this makes the position more evident to the defense as well. In the actual hand, if the defense forces the board early with a heart, you don't have the entries to ruff the 4th heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe de Balliol Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 The hand has been analysed and I'm about to get off but I just thought I'd say that I think 2♠ is automatic. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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