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[Erkson]

Hi, Wayne, and many thanks for your software and sources.

 

Erkson I have sent you a copy of my code. 

It is better than mine. I appreciate the Windows GUI, and I adopt it !

Please, add me on your list for updates.

 

You get slightly better alignment when you use the {FONT=Courier} tag.  But there are still minor problems.  I think they are caused by suit symbol images being different sizes.

 

A table tag would be ideal.

I do agree with you.

 

Anyway, we have now a good tool to publish deals on this forum.

One problem remains : to deal with at least three different .lin file types.

 

Erkson

[Cascade]

I haven't looked at the details but I suspect something smart should be able to be programmed.

 

That is some code that automatically recognizes the format and deals with it.

 

Wayne

[Erkson]

I haven't looked at the details but I suspect something smart should be able to be programmed.

 

That is some code that automatically recognizes the format and deals with it.

 

Wayne

Some simple infos :

 

A vugraph lin file begins with :

vg|

a movie.lin file with :

vg|Uploaded

a history.lin with :

pn|

 

Then :

- only vugraph says if IMP or MP

- vugraph and movie have a qx tag, but history hasn't

- vugraph and history have the same hand and auction notations, but movie has different

 

Modification of a program is easy to make it to read vugraph and history.lin because they are not very different.

 

It is a little bit harder to make it to read also movie.lin. But movie.lin hand notation is easier to manage : all 4 hands are there, and cards are in descendant order.

 

I wouldn't rush because when we finish a multi-lin program, maybe BBO has standardised the format :rolleyes:

 

Erkson

[Cascade]

Here is the output from the three file types with one program.

 

The program automatically detects the file type.

 

1.

 

movie.lin a movie created manually using the movie feature and saved to your hard disc.

 

[hv=d=s&v=e&n=skjt9875ht85d97c7&w=sa2haq9d4cqj96542&e=sq64hkdkjt865ckt8&s=s3hj76432daq32ca3]399|300|[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     -     -     1♥

 2♣    4♥    5♣    Dbl

 RDbl  Pass  Pass  Pass

 

 

2.

 

history.lin a file downloaded from myhands

 

[hv=d=s&v=e&n=skjt9875ht85d97c7&w=sa2haq9d4cqj96542&e=sq64hkdkjt865ckt8&s=s3hj76432daq32ca3]399|300|[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     -     1♠    Pass

 1NT!  Pass  2♣    Pass

 4♠    Pass  Pass  Pass

 

 

 

3.

 

logged_deal.lin a file logged on your computer as you play or watch a hand

 

[hv=d=s&v=e&n=skjt9875ht85d97c7&w=sa2haq9d4cqj96542&e=sq64hkdkjt865ckt8&s=s3hj76432daq32ca3]399|300|[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     Pass  Pass  1♥

 1♠    Dbl   Pass  2♥

 Pass  3♥    Pass  Pass

 Pass  

 

 

 

Questions:

 

Does anyone know if history.lin files store the scoring condition in any way?

 

I can probably look and find out for myself I guess.

 

I discovered while writing this post that hard spaces do not cut and paste very well from the post preview. They turn into soft spaces :-(

 

Wayne

[Cascade]

I discovered a 4th type of lin file just now.

 

If I look at a movie from a played table and save that to my hard drive.

 

This file has some different characteristics.

 

I think I have updated the program to cope but I have not double checked that it still works with the previous file types.

 

Wayne

[Erkson]

Here is the output from the three file types with one program.

 

The program automatically detects the file type.

Wonderful job, Wayne !

 

Does anyone know if history.lin files store the scoring condition in any way?

It doesn't.

To know the scoring condition you need to read the

Bridge Base Online - Hand Viewer.htm

page, on which you clicked to get the history.lin

 

I discovered while writing this post that hard spaces do not cut and paste very well from the post preview.  They turn into soft spaces :-(

I saw that reading the page source. But if they actually turned into soft spaces, a serie of those spaces would be displayed as a single space, which doesn't happen.

The source shows soft spaces but they are hard ones. A mystery.

 

Erkson

[Erkson]

I discovered a 4th type of lin file just now.

 

If I look at a movie from a played table and save that to my hard drive.

 

This file has some different characteristics.

 

I think I have updated the program to cope but I have not double checked that it still works with the previous file types.

 

Wayne

I clicked on a tourney, chose a table, clicked on MOVIE, on SAVE, and got this file (I deleted names):

 

vg|Uploaded Deal,,I,7,7,,,,,|rs|,,|pn|....|pg||qx|o7|

md|1SK964HA62DKT763C9,SA2HJT975DJ9C7543,

SJ87DAQ52CAQJ862,SQT53HKQ843D84CKT|

sv|b|

pn|........|

mb|---pp1C1H2D2H3D3H4Dppp-|pg||

pc|SA|pc|S7|pc|S3|pc|S4|pg||

........

 

The difference with this other movie.lin (I can't remember how I got it !) :

 

vg|Uploaded Deal,,I,3,3,,,,,|rs|5CWxx=,,|pn|....|pg||qx|o3|

md|1S3HJ76432DAQ32CA3,SA2HAQ9D4CQJ96542,

SKJT9875HT85D97C7,SQ64HKDKJT865CKT8|

sv|e|

mb|---1H2C4H5Cdrppp|

pn|.....|pg||

pc|H5|pc|HK|pc|H2|pc|H9|pg||

.....

 

and a deal created using MOVIE and SAVE :

 

vg|,,P,1,1,,0,,0|

rs|,,|

pn|,,,,,,,|

mp|,|

pw|,,,|pg||

qx|o1|st||md|3DAKQJT98765432,CAKQJT98765432,SAKQJT98765432,HAKQJT98765432|nt||sv|0|pg||

 

is the place of sv| and second pn| tags.

Is that what you mean ?

 

When BBO standardise its lin format, I will dance in the street.

 

Erkson

[Cascade]

I didn't look that closely my program was stumbling on some end of lines.

[Erkson]

I didn't look that closely my program was stumbling on some end of lines.

OK, Wayne.

 

I understand it was a problem with some lin files made of few long lines, and other made of a succession of shorter lines with carriage return and linefeed.

 

Erkson

[Erkson]

I discovered while writing this post that hard spaces do not cut and paste very well from the post preview.  They turn into soft spaces :-(

This is a test of the preview function

First I write 4 bids separated by 6 soft spaces :

1♣ 1♦ 1♥ 1♠

 

Then I write 4 bids separated by 6 hard spaces :

1♣     1♦     1♥     1♠

 

I will read the source made by BBO Forum software for this post with preview and then without preview, and see if there is a different result for the first auction line and the second one.

 

Now without preview :

This is a test of the preview function

First I write 4 bids separated by 6 soft spaces :

1♣ 1♦ 1♥ 1♠

 

Then I write 4 bids separated by 6 hard spaces :

1♣      1♦      1♥      1♠

 

Results of the test :

The preview replaces & #160;  by a space, which is displayed as a hard space.

If you don't use the preview : & #160; are preserved in the source.

But in both cases if you cut and paste a post you loose the hard spaces, because cut and paste of a html page doesn't cut and paste the html tags but the text.

 

Erkson

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