Your call

[ewj]

[hv=d=e&v=e&s=sk9xxht8xdak9xxxc]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

3♣ on your right, your go.

[hotShot]

pass

 

In 2nd hand, a bid promises more than i have.

[Apollo81]

I think it is clear to act. I would double, but I can respect a 3♦ call also.

[whereagles]

Yeah, you have to bid now. Agree with apollo.

[mikeh]

Two conflicting aspects here: bidding at the 3-level promises more high card strength than we have, but we are the ones short in ♣s. If we don't act, either partner will feel constrained to pass due to his club length or LHO will be bouncing us and partner may be unable to act due to relative weakness: if it takes strength to bid at the 3-level, it also takes strength for him to act over 5♣.

 

So for me the decision is clear, altho not comfortable: 3♦.

 

No way am I doubling... I'd rather pass than double, and I can't stomach passing, so imagine how double makes me feel :lol:

 

Ok, more elaboration:

 

if we double, partner will expect more than 7 cards and 3 points in the majors.

 

If we double, partner will expect more defence and may make a poor double later or may pass 3♣ x'd.

 

If we double, and partner is, say, 3433, we play ♥s, quite possibly doubled, when we have a 9 card fit in ♦s.

 

If I knew that partner would get us to ♠s over a double, either with a good hand and 4 decent ♠s or any hand with 5+♠s, then double is wonderful... but why should he? And bidding 3♦ doesn't mean we can't get to ♠s some of the time when it is right and it does mean that we will always get to ♦s when that is right.

[pbleighton]

3D. I won't repeat any of mikeh's good post.

 

Peter

[paulg]

3D.  I won't repeat any of mikeh's good post.

 

Peter

Ditto.

[jdonn]

For me, double for sure. I have an awesome dummy in support of all other suits, about all I could want for a takeout double. If partner passes I am a bit worried but anyway it could also work well so I certainly won't let that one chance stop me.

 

3♦ is fine.

 

If my opponents start passing on these hands, I may make the agreement to open 3♣ on every board from now on.

 

This is turning into another good problem. It seems pretty evenly split between double and 3♦.

[Fluffy]

This kind of hand I would like to bid at the 4 level if my suit was a major.

 

pass crosses my mind, but no thank you, don't feel specially right for 3♦ or double, I would probably just double

[Fluffy]

If my opponents start passing on these hands, I may make the agreement to open 3♣ on every board from now on.

You ain't dealed a void every hand! :lol:, anyway 3♣ opeing on every hand looks like a fun strategy

[jillybean]

3♦ If we are meant to be in a ♠ game I will trust my partner to bid them :lol:

[mike777]

3D

 

Per Cohen/Bergen I try and go out of my way to not making high level takeout doubles with a void.

[mcphee]

Passing is out of the question. I prefer 3D to the t/o dble. I'd like another defensive value in case partner converts the dble, a chance greatly increased when holding a void.

[pclayton]

Acting is clear. Here's why I like 3D better than x:

 

1. A moysian rates to play poorly with dummy getting tapped at T1.

 

2. This is a great dummy if pard chooses 3N with a 10 count, doubleton diamond and fair club stop.

 

3. This is a great dummy for hearts but only if pard can bid them voluntarily over 3D.

 

4. The only drawback to 3D is it might be tougher to get to 4-4 spades, but with dummy getting tapped its not clear spades are the right spot.

 

An interesting side question: if we overcall 3D and LHO bids 5C and pard x's, what do we bid?

[MickyB]

I held this hand and bid 3♦, it felt fairly clear. It's from the U25 pairs in London, and was actually Butler IMPs in case that changes anyone's decision ;)

 

Ed, will you be posting partner's hand over your 3♦?

[P_Marlowe]

3D, wtp?

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[the hog]

3D. X is sick.

[Edmunte1]

My choice is between 3♦ and pass, and i'll choose 3♦. I don't like double

[helene_t]

3♦. Basically I agree with Mikeh although I don't get nauseous from the thought of dbl.

[jchiu]

I held this hand and bid 3♦, it felt fairly clear. It's from the U25 pairs in London, and was actually Butler IMPs in case that changes anyone's decision B)

 

Ed, will you be posting partner's hand over your 3♦?

That changes my decision. In a normal IMP game, I would bid 3♦ without hesitation or regrets. However, in an EBU sponsored U25 Butler contest, or against anyone named Myers :-P, the fear that swish would lead to a bad result subsides and I would either double or bid 3♦ depending on my table feel.

[Finch]

3D. But I would rather double than pass.

[ewj]

I held this hand and bid 3♦, it felt fairly clear. It's from the U25 pairs in London, and was actually Butler IMPs in case that changes anyone's decision :P

 

Ed, will you be posting partner's hand over your 3♦?

For people who are interested, I doubled and this was passed out.

 

Dummy came down with

♠ATxx

♥KJ9x

♦QJxx

♣J

 

And only one of my diamonds was standing up. Fortunately however, partner came up with

 

♠xx

♥AQxx

♦xx

♣K9xxx

 

I'm not sure of the club pips exactly but partner made two ♣ tricks.

[jdonn]

Vindicated :)

[pclayton]

It looks like the success of 3♣ and 3♦ come down to the ♦10 and the ♣9.

 

This is about as thin as you can cut it.

 

By the way, if pard opts for 3♥ instead of pass, let the doublin' begin.

[jdonn]

It looks like the success of 3♣ and 3♦ come down to the ♦10 and the ♣9.

This is about as thin as you can cut it.

 

By the way, if pard opts for 3♥ instead of pass, let the doublin' begin.

You know partner isn't bidding 3♥, he is passing the double all day. Also, doesn't the dummy have at least as much a double of 3♦ (knowing they are on his right) than 3♥ (knowing they are on both sides of him)? I would double neither, but the doubles seem equally likely.

 

 

True if his clubs were K5432 or so they would make, but if they are KT98x we would have our bloodbath. As it is, I will take my 200 with pride :)