Bidding until 6S

[kgr]

[hv=d=e&v=n&n=sj52hkj73dj72c984&s=sakq94hxdaqt43cak]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

Opps pass always:

2♣-2♦

2♠-3♠

4♦-4♠

5♣-5♥

6♠

Pickup partnership on BBO. No agreements. Assumption is SAYC.

What do you think of the bidding? Any bids that show something else than what is held in your opinion?

Thanks,

Koen

[Winstonm]

When you plan to cue bid twice it is usually right to bid the higher ranking suit first, as you did with 4D; however, the issue with this hand is the diamond K so a 4C cue would allow a 4D cue from partner.

 

An auction such as this would have been possible:

 

2C-2D

2S-3S

4C-4H

4N-5D (1430 keycard)

5S-P.

[pbleighton]

This is a matter of agreement, but I wouldn't bid 3S, which should show slam interest. You are 3433 with one king and no aces. Bid 4S instead, after which partner should pass.

 

Might get a bad result here, though :)

 

Peter

[Winstonm]

This is a matter of agreement, but I wouldn't bid 3S, which should show slam interest. You are 3433 with one king and no aces. Bid 4S instead, after which partner should pass.

 

Might get a bad result here, though  :)

 

Peter

I think that typically a direct jump to game denies a control, hence a single raise has to cover a lot of hands.

[pbleighton]

"I think that typically a direct jump to game denies a control, hence a single raise has to cover a lot of hands."

 

As I said, it's a matter of agreement, but one king and no ruffing values don't do it for me. Make it an ace and I'd bid 3S, barely.

 

Peter

[the hog]

I agree with Winston. But this slam is ok - close to 50%. (Pity dummy doesn't have the D9). Playing against a strong team I would always want to be in this one.

[skjaeran]

4♠ would deny a cuebid in my methods, so that's out for me.

I'd prefer 2NT over 2♠, but that's also a matter of agreements.

Over 3♠ I'd cue 4♣, not 4♦. 4♦ would deny a ♣ control for me. Besides, I'd be very interested in a ♦ cue from partner.

When partner bypasses 4♦, I'd know that slam would be 50% at best, and sign off in 4♠. I'd be happy to bid slam here if my team were underdogs in the match.

[helene_t]

There was a discussion in Master Solvers' Club a couple of years ago about opener's 4♦ bid. Most interpretted as a cue for spades, in which case 4♣ would have been correct with that hand. A minority interpretted it as natural.

 

If 4♦ were a cue for spades, 3♠ by responder is also questionable since there might be a better fit in hearts. Opener's use of 4♦ shows that he catters for a better fit somewhere else so it looks as if the partners understand each other. But I wonder how encouraging (forcing?) a 4♥ bid by opener would have been. This issue is related to what kinds of two-suited hands that can be opened with 2♣.

 

These remarks aside, the auction looks fine.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

the only bid open for discussion is

the 3S raise, else the bidding was

fine. Responder denied the Ace of

hearts with 4S, and he was asked

to show something useful, the only

value he got is the king of hearts.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[kgr]

Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ J52 ♥ KJ73 ♦ J72 ♣ 984 ♠ AKQ94 ♥ x ♦ AQT43 ♣ AK

Opps pass always:

2♣-2♦

2♠-3♠

4♦-4♠

5♣-5♥

6♠

Pickup partnership on BBO. No agreements. Assumption is SAYC.

What do you think of the bidding? Any bids that show something else than what is held in your opinion?

Thanks,

Koen

I was North, partner South is World Class (but no star).

I agree that 3S is at the limit and maybe it is better to bid 4S, but at the other hand I already limited my hand with 2♦ bid?

Full story:

Partner went down as ♦K was off-site. After the hand he said that 5♥ did promise the ♥A and he removed me from the table.

...I thought that 4♠ bid did deny the ♥A and that 5♥ did give a second control in ♥ and did deny ♦K making 5♠ a better bid then 6♠. .... but I'm not worldclass, so probably I'm wrong on this?

[pbleighton]

"Partner went down as ♦K was off-site. After the hand he said that 5♥ did promise the ♥A and he removed me from the table."

 

Your partner was rude and wrong.

 

Peter

[skjaeran]

"Partner went down as ♦K was off-site. After the hand he said that 5♥ did promise the ♥A and he removed me from the table."

 

Your partner was rude and wrong.

 

Peter

Rude isn't enough to describe such unacceptable behaviour.

 

I might have reported him to Bridgebase.

[cherdano]

There was a discussion in Master Solvers' Club a couple of years ago about opener's 4♦ bid. Most interpretted as a cue for spades, in which case 4♣ would have been correct with that hand. A minority interpretted it as natural.

Huh? There was a discussion about this auction in MBC not so long ago, and a clear majority (according to my memory) took 4♦ as natural.

[jdonn]

I was North, partner South is World Class (but no star).

I agree that 3S is at the limit and maybe it is better to bid 4S, but at the other hand I already limited my hand with 2♦ bid?

Full story:

Partner went down as ♦K was off-site. After the hand he said that 5♥ did promise the ♥A and he removed me from the table.

...I thought that 4♠ bid did deny the ♥A and that 5♥ did give a second control in ♥ and did deny ♦K making 5♠ a better bid then 6♠. .... but I'm not worldclass, so probably I'm wrong on this?

I wonder how your partner would have bid AKxxxx Qx AKQx A, and if he would have been interested in your heart king then. Maybe he is not as world class as he thinks.

[SoTired]

I agree with most of the other posts:

1 - 2D is what? waiting or negative? I assume waiting

2 - 3S is fine. 4S would deny any outside A,K,sing,void and you have ♥K

3 - Opener's 4D was a poor choice. Should bid 4C, because looking for a diam q-bid from responder. In pickup partnership, once major suit fit is found, you can't get fancy and fool around looking for a better fit.

4 - Over 4D, I would have bid 4H. But with a pickup partnership, I can understand not wanting to q-bid 2nd round control.

5 - 5C clearly is looking for something in the reds. 5H is right, showing 2nd round control since you bypassed 4H earlier.

6 - Opener was rude. The 4D bid contributed to own problem. This is common faux-expert behavior: Make mistake in bidding, blame partner, boot them, usually with a comment like, "You are novice" or "Read a book", etc. These people generally are novices and always are table hosts.

In future, avoid table hosts that classify themselves as "world-class" but play with pickup partners in open play. Similar to meeting "Warren Buffet" with coupons at the grocery store.

[Apollo81]

The bidding given by the OP seems fine to me, and I also agree with Josh