Free bid or Negative X?

[Badmonster]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=skjha9xxxxdjxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

And the bidding goes You Pass- Pass - 1♠ - 2♣ What do you do here? Why?

[BillHiggin]

Cry

 

Because I skipped an opportunity to make a bid that described my hand quite nicely. Since I never include methods to show that I made an error earlier, I have no real way to deal with this (well, I can - but partner will never understand that I was dealt a 2H opener and failed to make that call).

[SoTired]

LOL - I agree, Bill...

 

But if you were not a passed hand.... You dbl now and if partner bids 2D, you bid 2H.

 

Negative dbl followed by a new suit says: "I have the strength for a neg dbl, but not the strength to bid my suit freely at the 2 level."

[cherdano]

I bid 2♥ now, a perfect description of my hand ;)

(Long hearts with spade tolerance.)

[jdonn]

I think opening 2♥ is a terrible action vul with no shortness and a very bad suit. The offense to defense ratio is way too low to preempt. 2♥ now is easy as a passed hand.

[Apollo81]

2♥ now.

 

Out of all the partners I have ever had I am the least disciplined with regards to preempting and even I would not open this 2♥ (and don't consider it a decision)

[skjaeran]

2♥.

 

I don't consider opening 2♥ a preempt - it's a constructive call in my methods. So for me it's close between pass and 2♥ in opening seat. Give me the ♥10, and pass is no option.

[paulg]

I'd bid 2♥ now whether I was a passed hand or not. It is a slight overbid if you had not passed but it does not promise the normal 2/1 values in a competitive auction and I can pass 2♠.

 

The only difference in this auction is that 2♥ is not forcing.

 

Paul

 

a discussion for another forum would be the value in swapping the meanings of 2♦ and 2♥ in this auction

[chicken]

people got thrown out of junior schools national teams when they opened 2 hearts here. if this is your preempting style, ok but thats definately not standard.

[paulg]

people got thrown out of junior schools national teams when they opened 2 hearts here. if this is your pre-empting style, ok but that's definitely not standard.

Yes, I can see that the sixth heart would be unexpected in a Junior weak 2-bid.

 

p

[helene_t]

My first thought was 2♥ which partner will pass with a minimum and at least a doubleton hearts, which will leave us in the best contract. But with slight extras, partner will rebid 2NT. Dbl will keep the level low more often. I think I'll double.

 

I don't understand why you didn't open 2♥. OK, you'd like to have some minor honors in hearts and you'd like not to have ♠K, but in all other respects the hand is perfect: no singleton, no 3-card spades, 6-card hearts and the right overall strength. If I'm not allowed to preempt with this hand, please let's play strong 2-, 3- and 4-openings.

 

I don't think it's a good strategy to reserve preempts for hands with extreme O/D ratio. Especially with a somewhat lower O/D ratio, it's much safer to open than to pass and make an overcall later.

 

I subscribe to Arend's interpretation as 2♥ showing spade tollerance, and with that agreement I would bid 2♥. But I think you can only have that agreement if you tend to preempt whenever you have a weak one-suiter. The fact that this hand obviously was not deemed suitable for a preempt makes me think that a 2♥ freebid would be interpretted differently. Partner might not rebid a modest 5-card spades.

[kenberg]

I guess 2H. Very likely there will be a 3C bid on my left, and I think 2H will leave partner better informed than double. This is actually a pretty good hand and while it could blow up I don't think 2H is much of an overbid.

[awm]

I don't really understand the problem here. What's wrong with a non-forcing 2♥ by a passed hand? Sure, partner might expect a five-card suit, but Axxxxx is kind of like a five-card suit in some ways. If I double partner will expect a four card suit after all. And 2♥ is right on values too -- should be something like 9-11 by a passed hand.

 

Without the initial pass, I think this becomes a much tougher problem, since partner could easily expect more for a forcing free bid.

 

As for preempting, it's not mandatory to preempt with every six-card suit. I'm sure some people would open 2♥ with this hand, but passing is definitely not a "mistake."

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

2H, being a passed hand makes this easy,

I have a 6 carder (partner will either expect

a stronger 5 card suit or ... such a 6 carder)

and the values of my spade honors got up.

 

A neg. double does hide the 6 carder and is

a lot worse.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe